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Cinematic Liberties vs Cinematic Stupidities
utkal | November 15, 2012, 3:48 PM | 31 comments | 16 views


Reacting to the absurdities and certain hackneyed elements in the script of Jab Tak Hai Jaan pointed out by all critics, a few have asked , ‘ What about the child birth sequence in 3 Idiots? ”

Let me get that out of the way first. I have always considered that to be one of the many masterstrokes that Hirani and Abhijat Joshi added to the original rich material of Chetan Bhagat. For nothing is Abhijat Joshi the highest paid writer in Bollywood and Hirani is the only true genius of Indian commercial cinema. Because their imaginative leaps are grounded in reality and are used to achieve subtle artistic goals.
To start with the child birth facilitated by a vacuum device is perfectly scientific. Let me quote “
“Ventouse is a vacuum device used to assist the delivery of a baby when the second stage of labour has not progressed adequately. It is an alternative to a forceps delivery and caesarean section. It cannot be used when the baby is in the breech position or for premature births. This technique is also called vacuum-assisted vaginal delivery or vacuum extraction (VE).

“The woman is placed in the lithotomy position and assists throughout the process by pushing. A suction cup is placed onto the head of the baby and the suction draws the skin from the scalp into the cup. Correct placement of the cup directly over the flexion point, about 3 cm anterior from the occipital (posterior) fontanelle, is critical to the success of a VE.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventouse

“Your practitioner applies a flexible, rounded cup to your baby’s head in the birth canal. The cup is connected to an electric suction pump or a small handheld pump that creates vacuum pressure to hold the cup securely to the baby’s head. You’ll be asked to push while the doctor gently pulls on a handle attached to the cup, to help move your baby down and out of the birth canal.”

http://www.babycenter.com/0_assisted-vaginal-delivery_1451360.bc

Now let us examine the beauty of this script device. Rancho has always been espousing the need for innovation, the need to learn how to use knowledge practically. The director had to demonstrate at some point Rancho a walking the talk, showing his knack for innovation, his ability to use knowledge of science and technology in everyday situations. We have had a glimpse of it when he made the seniors piss on a live electric wire with hilarious effect. This had to be one notch higher. Something the audience won’t expect. I have asked my friends from IIT if they had to think a situation to demonstrate how to use terch funda ina everyday situation, to be used in the film, what would they come up with. Needless to add, no one could think of this. But it was not the unexpectedness of it. We have seen Ranch in his male binding avatar with his two friends, Farhan and Raju. Here was a chance to reveal the feminine side of him. To show how he could empathize with women, be involved with an essentially women’s problem, and come out a winner. It was a unique way of letting him go up in Pia’s esteem and create another kind of bonding between them. And also equally importantly, it was a way of winning the gratitude of Virus and winning him over forever., both by saving his daughter and demonstrating his grasp of technology.

All these are subtle strands of script writing that only the masters grasp and can execute.
And the bottom line is using imagination grounded in logic and reality.

That is what the best of melodrama achieve in their scripts, be it Lagaan, Munnabhai, Deewar, Mr India or ET, Avatar , Purple Rose of Cairo, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind or It’s A Wonderful Life.

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  1. Tango

    Thank you so much for an original write up on NG, Utkal dada. Much appreciated!

  2. danish

    other masterstrokes in 3 idiots (which i think was a good entertaining comic caper)

    1. a fetus reacting everytime someone says Áal is well’.

    2. madhvan interrupting a flight to get off it and gets let off just like that.

    3. guys taking their pants off in corridor of IIT and saying ‘tofu kabool karo’

    4. a guy studying for entire 3 years in IIT with another identity and no one gets to know.

    5. the guy, obviously from gujrat (or was it rajasthan) and who apparently had stayed there all his life doesnt have the slightest accent.

    6. wen one character talks, all others listen. no body overlaps anyone in the entire 3 hours film, not even in a scene with 3 or more characters, some of them college kids with a naughty mood. show me one such and conversation in real life.

    7. the engineering institute’s head is more of a bafoon. did he do a course in engineering from some reputed international institute or did stand up comedy classes at roshan taneja’s

    8. any one can make fun of the dean and mock at him.

    9. still his daughter will fall in love with the same badtameez student.

    and above all

    10. the college entertains admission forms from visibly 40 year olds.

  3. Tango

    Danish

    Itna sab to maine bhi nahi socha :-)

  4. danish

    @tango – tabhi to main danish hoon.

    waise i think 3 idiots was an excellent comedy, just like govinda’s aankhein. but if any one wants to prove it a classic then they need to answer all these questions.

    and i havent said a word about the juvenile munnabhai series as yet.

    1. iitianWay

      pls comeup with ur words about munnabhai series…
      eagerly awaited…

  5. RedDevil

    @Danish: You are Spot on Bro with your take.

    There could be few more scenes which might be illogical in that film. However, it did entertained us in a big way and that’s the main reason for its blockbuster run. As I said earlier in a previous post from Utkal if we start looking at the logical ambiguities or at cinematic liberties every film should have some and I’m sure every fan would come up with thousands of reasons to justify when their favourite star acts in a film which has loopholes. But lets not forget these days masala films rule the box-office. So if we gonna look for logical scenes there will be none in any of those film. Lets appreciate films & also criticise them in an unbiased way instead of nitpicking at the scenes which has no logical relevance.

  6. utkal

    Dansih, ‘ but if any one wants to prove it a classic then they need to answer all these questions”
    I do think 3 Idiots is a classic. So let me answer all the questions you have raised
    1. a fetus reacting everytime someone says Áal is well’.
    A: There are some abstractions in storytelling. When a tiger tells something to a man ora fish tells something to a fisherman, we know that a tiger or a fish cannot talk , at least not in a language that a man can understand, but we get the sense. So when a baby says All Is a Well, every single member in the audience knows that the baby is not actually saying it. The problem arises when you show something illogical lor improbable and you expect the audience to believe that it is actually happening, in the story,
    2. madhvan interrupting a flight to get off it and gets let off just like that.
    A. That is the key at which the story is being told. Just like in Lagaan. You don’t see a professor walking to the classroom with a bird in a nest. But there is nothing impossible about it.
    3. guys taking their pants off in corridor of IIT and saying ‘tofu kabool karo’
    A. what’s so illogical or improbable about it? Weirder things happen during ragging at IITs.
    4. a guy studying for entire 3 years in IIT with another identity and no one gets to know.
    A. How will they know? If the photo matches. Can you tell me?
    5. the guy, obviously from gujrat (or was it rajasthan) and who apparently had stayed there all his life doesn’t have the slightest accent.
    A. haven’t you seen people like Pranab Mukeherjee who have studied in London and yet haven’t lost their Bing accent. Haven’t you heard people like Mallika Sarabhai who have stayed their entire lives in Gujarat and yet don’t have the slightest trace of an accent?
    6. wen one character talks, all others listen. no body overlaps anyone in the entire 3 hours film, not even in a scene with 3 or more characters, some of them college kids with a naughty mood. show me one such and conversation in real life.
    A. Show me a conversation in real life when there is a background music playing. Who said it is real life? It is a film damn it. Every film follows the same conventions and abstractions. But there are smart films and there are dumb films. Just like every person has a brain. But there are smart persons and dumb persons.
    7. the engineering institute’s head is more of a bafoon. did he do a course in engineering from some reputed international institute or did stand up comedy classes at roshan taneja’s
    A. There are engineering professors who are also terrific stand up comedians. There are engineering professors who are great actors, great musicians. And yes, there professors who have like buffoons. If you haven’t come across one, you have missed something in life.
    8. any one can make fun of the dean and mock at him.
    A. Indeed they can, If you haven’t, you have missed out on something in life again.
    9. still his daughter will fall in love with the same badtameez student.
    A. So professor’s daughters only fall in love with Shareeef students, is it? Which law of thermodynamics says that.? Ask Chetan Bhagt, he can teach a thing or two about what kind of guys IIT professors go for…the toppers or the 5-pointers.
    and above all
    10. the college entertains admission forms from visibly 40 year olds.
    A. This is the first time I am hearing that colleges admit students on the basis of how old they look.
    Let me sum it up by saying, Shakespeare’s have mistaken identities, clowns, and ghosts. That does not mean that any writer who has mistaken identity, or a clown or a ghost is Shakespeare. And like I said every person might have a brain, but there are smart persons and dumb persons. So having some commonalities doesn’t make everything equal.

  7. Tango

    Utkal dada, if 3 Idiots is a classic, then Khiladi 786 will also be a classic!

    Danish missed out on another great scene- The pissing on your teachers name plate (even if you are intoxicated).

    By me Hirani’s two prior films, Munnabhai MBBS & Lage Raho Munnabhai, were far greater films, the first by me can be called a classic, the latter a trendsetter of Gandhigiri, still on.

    I am still to see ppl doing what they showed in 3 Idiots (Tohfa Qubool Karo), as opposed to Gandhiri about which I keep hearing even today, as someone or the other resorts to it.

    Personally, between the delivery scene of 3 Idiots and the intimate scenes of JTHJ, I will be embarassed more to see the former with my family, which I was!

  8. Gorilla

    I do not know whom to laugh at -
    1. Utkal for writing this funny story
    2. Danish for listing 10 most ridiculous discoveries which is hardly funny and largely unintelligent
    3. Tango bhai praising danish’s stupidity
    4. Danish patting his back for his top 10 research work
    5. Utkal actually responding to each of the ten PJs of Danish with long and lengthier PJs
    6 Myself for having gone thru this comedy
    7. You, the reader of this comment, who want to like my comment because I said the obvious

  9. Tango

    Gorilla – I had seen 3 Idiots in Muzaffarpur, and seeing the reactions, I knew that this film is going to reset the records.

    The two biggest traits of 3 Idiots by me are

    1) It talks about the institution of friendship, in a beatiful and emotional way. All of us will identify with it!

    2) It also highlights that if I was given the opportunity, I would have excelled or if I had gone for my passion (rather than my present profession), I would have excelled. I too thought on similar line – If I had completed my MBA and not returned to my core area of Mech Engg (post graduation), main kahin aur hota, lekin halaat ne saath nahi diya. Even a paanwala and the hard working rickshawala will identify, agar zindagi ne mujhe mauqa diya hota to..

    That is what touched the heart and core emotions, rather than 3 Idiots being a classic.

  10. utkal

    “It talks about the institution of friendship, in a beatiful and emotional way. All of us will identify with it!”

    “That is what touched the heart and core emotions…”

    These are precisely what make a film a classic in my definition.

    A film does not touch our heart and core emotions because it is a classic. A film is a classic because it touches our hearts and core emotions.

    If Khiladi 786 manages to talk of something we can all identify with, and if it manages to touch our heatrs and core emotions..sure I will call it a classic.

  11. Tango

    No Utkal dada, Khiladi 786 will not touch any chords, I know that, but will thoroughly entertain the target audience.

    For me the best Hirani film is Lage Raho…because it made a film about Gaandhiji’s philosophy, entertaining. The proof is that even today, we hear abt Gandhigiri somewhere or the other.

    It moved a nation, it ushered in a revolution, about how we can protest, without resorting violence.

    1. iitianWay

      3i ..is not at all classic from comedy/musical melody/emotion remedy point of view…jo 1-2 dialogue ki baat ki jaa rahi hain ..yeh dil ki baat koi bhi kar deta hain ..situations mein…

      for me 3i was very cheap in comedy ..and emotional remedy.

      Yes, and yes…LR Mbhai was classsic ..atleast in original script and concept..for me it was movie of the decade..and sure shot contender of winning best Foreign FILM osacar..but …paheli ne ise uljha diya.

      eagerly awaiting danish’s comments for LRM Bhai

  12. dennycrane1

    sos is entertaining..jthj is boring..end of..logic ki baat kyun kare? no film is sensible if we analyse it like you guys are analysing..should be watching documentaries

  13. Dj

    Danish on more from me.

    When chatur deliver that Balatkar-Stan line. Nobody intruppts him.

  14. Alfa.one

    Agree fully with the points raised by @ danish. To add to it in a professional college like that the hero would have been kicked out of the college next day with the gimmicks he performed there with faculty.

    1. Yakuza

      But even in Three idiots Rajbu Rastogi (Sharman) was about to detain from college after he pissed at Dean’s residence. And i don’t find anything in movie which practically doesn’t happen in campus .. be it ragging, making fun of students or professors.Me myself has experienced all such incidents .. some at school level, some at college level .. so found nothing impractical in movie.

      1. danish

        yakuza – ya but it was all exaggerated like hell. the point was not that everything in 3 idiots has to be 100 percent real for it to be called a classic. but 3 idiots is as much of an exaggerrated over the top comedy as aankhein or chalti ka naam gaadi or golmaal 3.

  15. rockie_Dabhangg2

    Biggest BLUNDER in 3I’s basic plot.

    Madhavan and Sharman are trying to find their friend “Ranchoddas Chanchad” for almost 5 years.

    DIM WITS could have just checked the college records. All colleges have permanent address and phone number of thier students.

    They could have easily found out the address of RanchodDas as now even the POGO prinicipal itself was in good terms with them.

    So they could have reached Ranchoddas (Javed Jaffery) immediately instead of waiting till the interval. lolzz… :D

    ————> 3 Idiots was a full on comical laugh riot movie just like Golmaal series.
    G3 also had an emotional angle like 3I.
    Some people try and praise it like a masterpiece but then we call them “Fanatics”…. period.. !

  16. rockie_Dabhangg2

    BTW … Aamir is coming with a new comical caper named “Talaash” where he plays a cop hiding behind a hedious and HUGE moustache. :)

    The cop and his wife shamelessly make out in front of thier small kid… still hiding behind that hedious and HUGE moustache. :)

    The kid can’t take that torture and jumps of the cliff into deep sea. That cop then tries to find who killed his kid ….. still hiding behind that hedious and HUGE moustache. :)

    After killing (indirectly) their kid the cop and his wife shamelessly sing this song “Jee le zaraa”…. still hiding behind that hedious and HUGE moustache. :)

    Finally the cop finds a road side prostitute who btw sings in “Upscale restaurants” as a side business. lolzz…
    okay the cop gets with that prostitute to find the killer of that kid … again still hiding behind that hedious and HUGE moustache. :)

    Finally the DRUG ADDICT director Reema and that cop/producer unravel the comical caper …. still hiding behind that hedious and HUGE moustache. :D

    —- Masterpiece my foot…. ball …. :P

  17. Alfa.one

    Rockie bhau ——— happy deepawali……….!

    Hahahahahahahaha………….. ! aapne to puri story bata di. Ab ye log kya dekhenge theater mein?

  18. rockie_Dabhangg2

    Happy diwali -belated to you too .. Alfa bhau …

    story bataa di fir bhi ye log jaayenge …. Aamir ki moocho mei kitne baal hai … wo ginne jayenge .. :D

  19. danish

    @utkal – basically u wanna say

    1,. since YOU think 3 idiots is a classic thats why its ok if fetus reacts to sum1 saying all is well. (u didnt even get my point abt stupid, illogical almost superstitiously mushy interpretation of a normal parenting idiotcity)

    2. since You think 3 idiots is a classic, hence no police action (forget terrorism link investigation) aganst madhvan is fine. ( wat was that professor, bird, nest thng?)

    3. since u think 3 idiots is a classic its ok if guys strip in broad day lights in college corridor (i am not talking abt the ragging scene but the last scene) in daylight, in full public where where any professors cud be walking across including female and even female students (which anyways didnt exist in this male centic film that thinks sperm – soley sperm – minus the egg – is what the child – sorry male child – is made up of) .

    4. since you think 3 idiots is a classic its ok if no one ever realizes the guys has a fake identity. at no point in time any one asks for a passport or any other identity, no one from a close by village of his original place recognizes him (even though the guy he is impersonating is from a very big, ostensible royal/feudal) lets imagine some one taking up the idenity of a jyotiraditya scindia, prince randheer singh of patiala or even lesser known manvendra gohil and studing in an elitist institute like ITT and get away for 3 years.

    5. just becoz u think 3 idiots is a classic – its ok if rancho doesnt have an accent. ur pranab mukherji example and his bengala accnet just proves my point and dude wait till u hear mallika sarabhai trying her hand at hindi. u have obviously only heard her at ‘middle class platforms’ like ‘time now/NDTV talk shows’ WHERE SHE USES ENGLISH.

    6. just becoz u think 3 idiots is a classic its ok if no one overlaps anyone even if 3 or more ppl are in a conversation, some of them boisterous college students. and if u can accept that, and background music, wats ur problem if a character says “ek baar jo maine commitment kar di……..”

    7. just becoz u think 3 idiots is a classic its ok that the dean is not just a bafoon but also acknowldeges it with all humility taking all kind of shit from students, just threatening them occasionally. and i dont know wat institute did u go to but i did my graduation in nglish literature from areputed delhi university college and there was not one teacher who was a bafoon. mrs kumar a doctorate with some published books to her credit was highly elegant, mrs chauhan – who quite resembled chitrangadha singh was the stuff of wet dream of all boys, mr prasad – unlike his name – was young and handsome and an eye candy for the girls, mr malhan – the alcoholic was admired rather than ridiculed for carrying classy whiskey flasks to college, and even the middle class mr khanna who taook ‘autos’ to the college was not at all a joker and much respected for his unmatched vocabulary. and dude all these names are real. i hope u did not g to a circus instead of a college.

    8 & 9 . just becoz u think 3 idiots is a classic that its ok to have a girl fall for a guy who insults her professor father in front f her. sorry give me mithun chakraborty insulting prem chopra and amrita singh falling for him in an 80s flick any day.

    10. just becoz you think 3 idiots is a classic its ok for IT to admit a student with not only fake identity but also looking like he is 40. the point was aamir and madhvan looked 40 and sharman 35 years old and totally unconvncing as students. is it the 1st time u are hearing this too. well then for all ur obsession with smart ppl and dumb ppl, i guess u have been interacting with the latter.

  20. danish

    @rockie – teer bilkul nishaane par maara hai.

    @ iitianway – pehle 3 idiots se nipat loon, phir munnabhai sries ki bhi baat karte hain jo ki mujhe entertaining bhi nahin lagi, 3 idiots come se kam funny/emotional to thi.

    @ DJ – bang on! yes nobody stops chatur from delivering the balaatkaar speech – in an intelligent cl;assic.

    @ utkal – beta u wanna know wat is a real classic. i challenge you to make a list – even make up a list – of 10 such incongruities in ‘bandit queen’ or hazaaron khwahishein aisi’ ( i know u wud say bandit queen was based on real life character hence i also added the HKA example.

    achhi filmein bhi dekho, fun filmein bhi dekho par dono ka fark mat bhhoolo.

    aur democarcy ki respect karna seekho.

    aur hijda filmon (gangs of wassey pur, gulaal, no smoking, delhi belly) ko classic bataana chhodo. they are trash, biodegradable trash.

  21. prg

    i wish we also had a professor/teacher like Mrs Chauhan of Danish’s college

    @Danish…
    i also consider HKA a classic… have not watched Bandit Queen though…
    could u name some hindi classics(in your view) other than these?

  22. danish

    @prg – r u asking for classics which i consider classics or are u asking for classics with absolute lack of ‘logical incongrities’ to take this debate forward? i hope, and assume. its the former and here is my list in reverse chronology. in any case most of them dont have those kind of flaws except having songs that are there becoz of the very nature of musical format of bollywood films.

    hazaaron khwahishein aisi
    maqbool
    bandit queen
    rudaali
    paar
    umrao jaan (rekha’s)
    arth
    ardh satya
    albert pinto ko gusaa kyon aata hai
    sparsh
    mrigya
    bhoomika
    manthan
    ankur
    bhuvan shome

    and in the commercial arena films that can be called great, even classics as long as they dont take a ‘superior posturing’ over other films just on the basis of ‘brand positioning’ (since they appeal to upper class auidiences)

    3 idiots
    tere naam
    hum aapke hain kaun
    aankhein (govinda’s)
    maine pyaar kiya
    nagina
    ram teri ganga maili
    nadiya ke paar
    muqaddar ka sikandar
    amar akabar anthony
    kabhi kabhi
    jai santoshi ma
    sholay
    deewaar
    bobby
    paakeezah
    koshish
    upkaar
    guide
    waqt
    phool aur paththar
    sangam
    bandini
    sahib biwi aur ghulaam
    ganga jamuna
    mughal e aazam
    kaaghaz ke phool
    mother india
    naya daur
    sujata
    do aankhein barah haath (v shanta ram’s)
    pyaasa
    devdas(dilip kumar_
    shree 420
    madhumati
    do beegha zameen
    aawara
    barsaat
    shaheed
    devdas (k l sehgal)
    achhut kanya

    and many many more

  23. danish

    @prg – and i am telling u in advance that most protests are goiong to be about the inclusion of tere naam, nagina, nadiya ke paar and jai santoshi maa as these films appeal to the sensibilties and emotions of a section of society that the middle class think are cinema illterate. little realizing that wenever this section has been edged out of the cinemas the result has been a decade of pure fluff – like the late 90s to 2008 period.

  24. Tango

    Yakuza bhai, I’m sure you must have known Ponty, what do you think will happen to his empire? will it survive or will everyone just grab his/her share and disappear?

  25. prg

    @Danish

    yes i was asking for classics which u consider classics…

    and some of the movies u mentioned are in my watch-list

  26. danish

    @prg – i suggest u dont miss a single of them. watch all. including nagina as much as suprabh may dissuade you.

  27. prg

    Danish..

    i watched Nagina when i used to be in school…11-12 years back.

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