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Trending theory? Lets have a deep look into it with ETT & Vicky Donor as an example


Lets talk about foundations first:

Maximum Cinema goer population that exists for every film:

If the movie goers are 2 cr people and if they have already watched the movie due to its awareness and raw appeal within one week then where the hell does a film needs trending? ETT has reached to its max day one capacity which only shows that there are films that require trending and there are films that are just sold by its brand ambassador.

Just trending theory cannot be a yardstick without improvising these steps:
First Step:
Suppose you award 2 points for a 40cr weekend, then what if movie exceeds it weekend collection?
3 points should be awarded for 50cr weekend
4 points should be awarded for 60cr weekend
similarly if movie fails to accumulate huge weekend then points should be deducted such as
2 points if it does 30cr weekend
1 point if it does 20cr weekend

But the standard Weekend figures must be set based on budget of the movie.
for ex: 40cr weekend min for 60cr or above budgeted movie and 30cr weekend min for 40cr budgeted movie and 15cr for 20cr or above budgeted movie.

Second Step:
As we have taken basic movie goer population at 2cr lets take a film to evaluate its price and footfalls.
Vicky Donor
it had business of around 40cr and avg ticket price was 100rs which makes a total of 40 lakh people have watched the movie vicky donor. 2cr/100rs = 40 lakh population

Now out of 2cr normal movie goer population only 40lakh have watched the movie which brings it to 40lakh/2cr*100 = 20%. Just 20% have watched the movie. Now 50% should be the yardstick. Its below 50% then it will have negative points, similarly

ETT will do around 170cr at a avg ticket price rate of 140rs. 170cr/130rs = 1.30cr population would have watched the film ETT out of 2cr that would be 1.30/2cr*100 = 65% of population have watched ETT. Now it will get positive points.

Step 3:
Survival test/Longevity:
No of days survival or no of weeks survival. Basic should be min 3 weeks. below gets negative points and above gets positive points for each week.

When you evaluate all such points then atleast you get a basic idea why these films are able to make profits and declared hits/bb’s and not just limited to longevity test.

PS: There are so many loopholes that are talked about in Shalu’s trending theory and this is one of the reply to her theory (no to her as personal posts aren’t allowed) which many time she escapes offering a banter in case pointed out the loopholes. Ignoring so many facts and sleeping on Trending Theory (with so many loopholes in it) doesn’t make one high brow and others low brow.

PS: This is evaluation and not a new theory :P

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  1. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

    Postmortem of Trending theory…

  2. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 2

    btw is today’s collection is 13cr? almost all are unimous but BOI haven’t declared yet. If this is True, then this is Just Fucking awesome. I had doubts about it to be over 10cr from now on

  3. dennycrane1

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    ETT Day 7: Rs. 15 crore plus!! Figures still coming in
    komal nahta

  4. AwesomeAkshay

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    I Thought this post is by Bournvita! Haven’t read though

  5. rogerfederer

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    yes most of the site shows ett has a 10+cr tue.

    Now, meri bhi ek theory he. Wide release se opening wknd par asar hota he lekin lifetime col. Per asar nahi hota.

    Ab dekho, wide release hogi to zyada log ek saath movie dekhenge. Agar 2 cr log movie goer he to wide release se 1cr ek saath dekhenge. Baaki log wknd me. ese karke 1 week tak sab ne film dekhli hogi. To definately 2nd wknd me colle. Kam hi hogi.

    Agar release wide nahi hogi to kam log ek saath dekh payenge. To wo dusre wknd me jayenge. To dusre me bhi acchi coll. Hogi. Opening kam hogi lekin 2nd week me drop bhi kam hoga.

    To wide release se lifetime me kam fark padta he.

    Haa, lekin ticket price aur content(wom) lifetime col. Par zyada effect karte he.

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    @FD – exactly my point.

    and to begin with even if u apply shalu didi’s trending theory, the base hshpould be the 1st 3 shaows than the 1st 3 days as the WOM travels real fast these days. its not the 70s.

  7. Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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    As I said, multiplexes will drop (but will have huge second weekend). However, Single screens will hold up pretty good …
    I could guarantee Tuesday was 10 crores at least, but don’t be surprised if Wednesday is 10 crores. Thursday will be a bit low but Friday, Saturday and Sunday will be very good.
    …Anyway today it will beat Rowdy Rathore and become the biggest grosser of 2012

    • rogerfederer

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      as per tweet by komal nahta, final figure of tue for ett is whopping 16.31 cr. So i don’t think mpexes shows a big drop as boi try to show.

  8. dennycrane1

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    its not like her theory is bad..its just that she refuses to acknowledge so many things…

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    dennycrane1, You do realise that according to my same theory Dabangg and Ready are Superhits? Yes ETT is flop. Just like Ra.One was flop despite the 100 cr tag.

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      shalu – you can declare any film flop or hit, its not about just salman, its the basic tiny things you refuse to acknowledge

    • Aryan29

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      wah dabangg you gave superhit tag wah great thank you :P

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    Komal Nahta ?@KomalNahta
    ETT Day 7: Final figure – Rs. 16.31 crore. Total for 7 days – Rs. 137.15 crore. Superb!!!!

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    FS and everybody who commented here,

    There is such a thing as a small film and a big film. A big film like ETT is one that more than 80% of the cinema-going audience is interested in watching on the big screen.

    And then there are small films like Vicky Donor that only 5% of the cinema-g0ing audience is interested in watching at the time of release. When that small film generates such a good word of mouth that the 5% increases to 20%, it is a huge achievement.

    Vicky Donor was liked so much that it increased its audience many times over. ETT and Ra.One, on the other hand, decreased their original audience due to negative word of mouth.

    That, gentlemen, is what trending is all about. Growth, not numbers.

  12. Alfa.one

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    @FS – Your point is correct. However, rogerfederer is also right. In fact the acceptance of any movie should be derived with the combination of ur and rogerfedere’s point. In today’s scenario looking at the media and fast spreading of WOM, big production houses dont want to take any risks and try to have a very wide release. Say, tomorrow, if a film with any big star produced by big production house with lot of pre release publicity gets released in 10,000 screens in India with 20 ~ 30 % increase in ticket rates, I doubt the first Monday will have occupancy more than 10% or so at max., beside very high 1st day and 1st week end collection.. And If it happens to get released during holiday season phir to Sunday (first) bhi doubtful ho jaayega.

    In nut shell 10 lts. paani ko ya to har roz 1 ltr. ki bottle mein bhar lo ya phir 10 litr. paani ko 1 – 1 ltr. ki 10 bottles mein 1 hi roz mein bhar lo.

    I may be wrong in my thinking.

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    you mean to say, ETT and Ra One should open at 5crs and gradually move on to make 150cr? why are you ignoring the basic population. when the basic population is exhausted watching then should be hire from outside countries to bring in and make them watch the movies?

    You are give out right away that your trending theory is favorable for small films than big films. that means its a discrimination against big films and you should not include these big films for your trending theory. SIMPLE.

    Film trending ke growth ke saath saath population ki growth bhi karwado

  14. Alfa.one

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    Yah, today’s collection has proved everybody wrongggggggggggggggggggg (who were talking of crashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh).

    THIS IS MORE THAN FIRST DAY COLLECTION OF MANY BIGGIES ON FRIDAY !

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    Agree with you Alfa One. I just gave various aspects that one can determine a movies success based on various factors.

  16. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

    Trending theory and silver/golden jubilee are a passe now, though a few films still trend well. Even makers like Sudhir Mishra too agree.

    I have always said, there are X number of ppl who will watch your film. One can get 90 % of them in to the cinemas in 10 days (by a publicity blitzkrieg) or do it in 3-4 days, getting less distributors share/profits in the second case.

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    *3-4 weeks*

  18. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1

    Tango, Sudhir Mishra will say that. His films never trend well :)

  19. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    Agree with you tango Sir, Just that there was too much hoop hola over someone’s trending theory, though her theory clearly discriminates big films i had to put some of the points or evaluate such theories created by one’s own imagination.

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    FS, No. I mean that like Dabangg a film should open to 50 cr weekend and go on to do around 150 cr lifetime.

  21. dennycrane1

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    shalu but the bigger the opening gets…the tougher it becomes to do what u mentioned…ur theory is good for small films..for big films big improvements is required…this is a suggestion..do take it in a positive way..thanks

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    Tiger 7 th day (working day) is more than its 2nd & 3rd day.. If this is not exceptional trending then what is? Not to mention the level at the film is collecting… not to mention its huge collection on the three holidays when a major chunk of the movie going audience saw it… Bhai god, bo pe record dharashayee ho rahein hain aur yahan kuch log

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    dennycrane1, No that is not the case. In the last few years only there are many examples of films opening big and still trending big – Dabangg, Ready, Rowdy Rathore, Singham, ZNMD. And I’m not even counting 3 Idiots here since that is on a different plane altogether.

    When somebody’s favourite star’s film trends well despite opening big, they celebrate its trending. When the same star’s film does not trend well, they say trending theory is crap.

    Right now Salman fans are abusing me for saying that ETT is flop and SRK fans are silent. If Yash Chopra’s next goes the same way, it will be vice-versa :)

  24. rogerfederer

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    shalu ji aaj ka col. Dekho. Sabhi theory wrong saabit ho rahi he. Anyone think ett 7th day collect more than 2nd and 3rd day, despite a working day.? But it happened. So now i can say 2nd 3rd were be badly affacted by ramzan. Otherwise ett trends well.

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    rogerfederer, Wait for BOI to declare the collections. Or better still, wait for lifetime collections and do a simple calculation yourself.

    • rogerfederer

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      shalu ji wo tue col. Post nahi karenge kyunki wo galat saabit hue he. Crash ki baat karte he. Lol

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    Box Office India ?@boxofficeindia
    #EkThaTiger Day Seven: NBOC http://www.boxofficeindia.co.i.....even-nboc/
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    atleast they have given territorial breakdown

    12cr

  27. rogerfederer

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    12cr still a huge no.

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    Shalu I mentioned Sudhir Mishra because he is from the good cinema side.

    Most of the big commercial makers already agree that it is all about a huge initial & at most they aim a for adecent second weekend.

    The more prolonged the run is (for getting to a final total Y) the less are the returns for a distributor.

  29. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    I don’t understand why Salman fans are eager for Shalu to change her mind. Let her say what she likes. If my eyes haven’t deceived me she has labeled ETT a flop above which doesn’t even warrant a reply from me.

    The whole media have already declared it a blockbuster and just within 9 days it’s going to be the biggest grosser of the year. UNBELIVABLE.

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    FS.tumne meri dil ki baat keh di is post mai.thanx alot

  31. Rockybarodian

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    @ SB Mods:- My Humble request..I already provided my info for the SB registration…….Please provide access to the SB.
    Yaar mujhme kaate lagey hai kya..:)

    • Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

      Sb Is without moderation nw n i believe u might have to wait for few more days or perhaps few months :)

  32. Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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    @shalu: u said dabangg opened with 50 crore weekend and made 3 times 150 in total and hence is a superhit trending
    ETT weekend was about 60 crore. So 3 times will be 180. So at 180 it will be a superhit. But how come it is a flop if it reaches 175?

  33. rockie_EK THA TIGER

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    Shalu .. you have already declared ETT as flop??
    Its still in its first week. I am amazed at your statements.

    Till yesterday you were saying its trending badly but today you have already declared it as a flop.

    —->
    As per your theory any movie which does 3 times its weekend has superhit to blockbuster trending.

    ETT weekend (first 3 days) – 57cr. So if it collects 171cr it should be a Blockbuster as per YOUR TRENDING THEORY.

    http://www.naachgaana.com/2010.....-analysis/

    —-
    Now SUDDENLY where is this (first day) x 8 calculation coming in??
    Atleast be CONSISTENT. :(

  34. rockie_EK THA TIGER

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    SHALU – This is what YOU wrote,

    *********************************************************
    Trending of 3 and above (Super Hit or Blockbuster) – If a movie earns 10 crore in its first weekend and does lifetime collection of more than 30 crore, it is a trending of 3 or above. These movies get excellent word of mouth and universal acceptance. Recent examples are 3 Idiots and – some movies like Raajneeti, Dabangg get such a huge opening (40-50 crore weekend) that even if they do a trending of 2.5 to 3 they can be called superhits or blockbusters as that means majority of audience see the movie in its first weekend only and still come for repeat viewing.
    **********************************************************

    So as per YOUR theory ETT is Blockbuster trending with HUGE opening 57cr weekend.

    • Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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      Now it is clear that Shalu is being biased. Her aim is just to bash ETT but she wants other people to think she is neutral.
      To be honest I hate people who change their ideas just to prove their point. It’s a pity that some people cannot accept a defeat.
      At least I have some respect for Yakuza, Danish, Delight because they are consistent with their ideas.

      Based on psychology classes I have taken, I am 80% sure of one of two things:
      Either shalu is a big fan of srk or Shalu is a boy pretending to be a girl.

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    Now she will take 6 day as weekend :P

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    Great reply rockie bhai and sanjeeu bhai

    or shalu didi ye jha wo jha

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    Zubair, rockie, sanjeev – Manipulations and twisting one’s own statements are a part of this industry….and anything even remotely associated with the business of cinema.

    P.S. We all know manipulations are a major part of who’s career. A fan’s personality is almost a derivative of their fav star. No surprises there.

    Agar ETT flop hai toh flop hi sahi. The fact that somebody is jumping out of their seat to announce that rather pre maturely is an indication of their hypocrisy (claiming to be neutral while having pre conceived notions)

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    Rockie, I’m being consistent all through. I take the weekend base in case of normal weekends. In cases of 5-day (or more) weekends, I take the first days as base (or second day if that is bigger a-la Ra.One).

    Since ETT and Yash Raj’s next are 5-day weekends, I will be using the first day base for both. For Dabangg 2, I will use the normal trending since that is opening on a normal weeken.d

    • Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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      Dear Shalu,
      don’t you think srk’s next and sos will have a huge advantage in your trending theory cuz they have huge competition. Lets say both open 50/50 (audience don’t know which one is good). Let’s say sos is worse than tezz and drops on the second day and srk’s next is average.
      Because of competition srk’s next opened poor and even though the wom is average it would look like its trending very good cuz the opening was poor due to competition.
      So I just wanna know how u gonna handle such cases.
      PS. this is just to make sure that you don’t come up with another exceptional rule for srk’s next just to defend srk like what u did for ra one as I am hearing from some frens in NG.
      Sincerely,
      Sanjeev (salman fan who likes akki and ajay. hater of srk and hrithik)

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    Sanjeev-ek-hai-tiger, Your psychology classes have taught you well. I’m a big SRK fan as well as a boy pretending to be a girl.

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    Rockie, For better understanding please read the conversation between armaaz_a1 and me on this thread yesterday
    http://www.naachgaana.com/2012.....ent-382730

    • rockie_EK THA TIGER

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      @SHALU

      Okay for 5 day weekend movies you use (First Day * 8). Now may I ask how did you reach this Magical number of 8??

      I mean give me some examples like for explaining 3 day weekend you have used examples of Dabangg/Rajneeti etc… Dont give me example of Ra1 and BG because as per you these are FLOPS. Give me example of successful movies with extended 5 day weekend whose lifetime was 8 times their first day.

      ——>
      BTW … I think I already have the answer.
      This 5 days extended weekend release funda was non existent in 2010′s post of yours. This was newly added after release of BG.

      BG did 20cr first day and 141cr lifetime.
      20 * 7 = 140cr
      BG did 7 times of its first day so you decided to come with this MAGICAL number of 8. So that immediately BG gets Flop tag and same is happening with ETT.

      ————————

      I am eagerly waiting for your answer though … why 8?? how did you reach this number??

      • Delight44

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        @rockie
        I am surprised to see a Salman Khan fan asking sensible question.

        I think acc to her theory , a movie tripling its weekend figures is decent trending[for normal release]
        Since first 3 days are most significant days for a friday release [collections are evenly distributed in many cases] ,
        Shalu’s trending theory is
        [Friday+sat+sun]x3=3xfridayx3=9 friday[approx] = 9 x opening day

        For a 5 day weekend number is reduced to 8 [reduced by 1 as most of the audience is exhausted in first 5 days, benefit of doubt to banta hai]

        Anyway,I think this theory is not much flexible.
        Better add 1st 5 days , divide the sum by 5 and take tht as base.

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    Rockie, First tell me have you read my conversation with Armaaz_a1 yesterday. If yes, that will explain everything.

    And I’m not going to explain how I reached the ’8′. Because even if I explain in detail, you and other Salman fans will ignore it all and come up with yet another accusation.

    So for your and other Salman fans happiness – yes I’m biased. Be happy with that.

    Now I will speak on the subject of ETT’s trending once it completes its lifetime business.

    • rockie_EK THA TIGER

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      @SHALU:
      Yes I did read your conersation but I did not get anythg. Only explanation abut Ra1 and BG doing less than 8 times its opening day.

      Why is 8 the chosen one?? Now dont shy away from explaining it.
      If you cant explain atleast give me some examples atleast 1 example so that I will try and analyse myself.

      It generates more curiosity because this was non existent in first version of your theory in 2010.

      —-
      Shalu has done great REVERSE ENGINEERING theory.
      BG did 7 times of its first day and it has to be a trending disaster(The result was pre declared) so take that as a base and then reverse engineer the whole theory to come to (8 * first day) funda.

      —–

      We are waiting for an explanation.

  42. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    Guys why are you even debating this trending shending theory. What Shalu believes doesn’t automatically become the truth you know. Heck she has said above Tiger is a flop so as far as I’m concerned nothing more to add.

    Chill guys and enjoy Tiger making history. In Tiger style :D

  43. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    All trade analysts and the media will label Ek Tha Tiger as a MEGA BLOCKBUSTER. There will be no confusion like there has been for other films in the past.

    Furthermore, (not that I care) the film has been critically acclaimed compared to his recent films. All in a all it’s a win win situation and TIME TO PARTYYYYYU :D

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    I agree with Naveed that Salman fans should not debate with me if they think my trending theory is useless. I will give my verdict – which is just my verdict, not law. You guys always have the option to ignore it.

  45. Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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    I think even boi will be forced to declare ETT an ATBB before the release of JOKER

  46. rockie_EK THA TIGER

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    @Nav bro – I knw ETT is a MEGA BLOCKBUSTER and yes it is indeed party time. :D

    I am not debating this theory …. debate to tab hoga jab koi explanation aayega. :(

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    Rockie, I gave a long explanation yesterday but seems people either didn’t understand it or preferred not to. So, I’m not going to waste my time everyday on saying the same thing again and again.

    Once ETT completes its lifetime run, I will write a post on it and give all the explanations there, including the ’8′. FYI, even this ’8′ is not a hit trending – only moderate success. Why and how, I will explain in the post. If my reading of ETT’s trending till now turned out wrong, I will accept that too in the post.

    • rockie_EK THA TIGER

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      Okay you can take your time to come up with an explanation for this 8 for moderate trending.

      Make sure you give some examples where a movie with extended weekend had 8 times first day as lifetime collections. I am EXPECTING ATLEAST 1 example.

      Your theory is under SCANNER by FBI. You made some serious and ILLEGAL changes to your original theory.

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    The fact that you can’t factor in for different variables at different times, means the theory isn’t flexible. It will fail at the hypothesis stage. So why debate, mathematically or scientifically this theory does not hold good.

    P.S. Rockie, The founder of this trending theory will never accept her faults. She will only try to cover it. She will add and remove her constraints to fit the verdict she has in her head.

    You can rather have a debate with dwnpiyush, sanket porwal n few others who have tried and failed. Will help you save time:)

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