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Ek Hai ‘Ek Tha Tiger’


‘Ek Tha Tiger’ had to pay this price. The makers had to decide whether to get a new unheard of opening day record, or whether to have a solid first 4-5 day business with minimal day wise drops. In other words they had to decide between a 15th Aug release, or a 17th Aug release. They opted for the former.

After showing the world what the current capacity to collect is on a single day by raking in 32 Cr on the first day, ETT dropped massively on Day 2 and collected just 15Cr. Today on its third day, it might do a bit lower- maybe a 13 Cr- or maybe just about the same- a 14-15Cr.

Now when the makers decided to opt for the unheard of first day record, this kind of a apparent timid response on the next 2 week days was surely not unexpected. But obviously the makers decided to face the backlash of this seemingly alarming drop from all over- naysayers, disbelievers, haters, and also idealists (Who think that getting a 20Cr on a weekday is Halwa).

So what is the reason for this drop? It is almost condescending when I write it out here in plain English like a wise elderly fellow telling a five year old that the world is round.

People are just waiting for the weekend to watch the film. That’s it.

I saw it FDFS. I am sure many of the other fans too watched it on the first day. Now the people who want to watch the movie will anyway watch it, never mind the reviews (which aren’t bad actually). They are just waiting for Saturday and Sunday to come. I will also watch it again on either Sunday or Monday (didn’t even think of watching it yesterday or today). Why should I?

The business would again reach 20 plus tomorrow and maybe touch 25 on Sunday. Eid is something which is tough to predict. Anyway the film will cross the 100 Cr halo figure before Eid arrives on Monday.

But But But… this is not the only point I am trying to make here. Two more- please bear with me.

1. Any rational observer of the Indian Box office scenario today will be able to tell you that the movie going audience is finite. It might be anything between 2-4 Cr people- hard to be exact about such things. I can make 10 different kind of calculations and arrive at 10 different numbers for it- but most of them would be in this range. But the number isn’t important to the point I intend to make. For big movies, it is all about how much of this audience can you pull in and in what manner. Some will pull all of them in 1 week. Some in 2. Some in 3. Some in 4. Some never. In fact most never. In fact all never except a 3 Idiots.

And repeat viewings depend on the genre as well as the content of the film. 3 Idiots managed maximum repeat viewings- again hard to put a number to it- but could be anywhere between 10-15 percent. The fact that it almost had 4 open weeks also helped. But essentially it was a movie that made everyone happy- everyone- I mean every every one. Dada Daadi, Papa, Mummy, Son, Daughter, Uncle, Aunty, Kuttas- everyone. An action film- however well made cannot make all the age-groups happy.

So while Ek Tha Tiger does about 125 Cr in first 6 days and pulls in almost half of the movie going audience- it will find it tough to get that repeat viewings from the average cine goer as a) It is not as good as 3 Idiots b) It is not the most audience friendly genre c) It has Salman Khan who repels a section of the crowd who will never believe in him even if he gives them a 3 Idiots. Frankly after having seen Ek Tha Tiger, if Aamir or SRK would have been in place of ETT it would have got a much better response on facebook at least (if not on the BO).

2. Why Salman Khan is GOD at the Box Office Today:

Huh 33 Cr haan. No big deal. It is just 100 percent collection on 1 day- Amitabh Bachchan did it for four weeks. Again it is almost condescending when I write it out here in plain English like a wise elderly fellow telling a five year old that the world is round.

In 1970s there were 150-250 prints of a movie released. All single screens with 4 shows a day. So 250*4=1000 shows a day all over India. So 7000 shows in one week- with no piracy- no twitter- no facebook- no mobile phone- almost no ways to spread the word of mouth- except- the word of mouth only. So people used to be excited for a movie and didn’t get tickets for days- big movies and stars that is. Today ETT had 1125 shows on the first day in Mumbai only. Baaki likhoon kya, ki khud samajh gaye?

Kehne ka matlab yeh hai- har era ke apne challenges, apne faayde, aur apne quirks hote hain. Is liye stop comparing stars across generations. Dilip Kumar, Rajesh Khanna, Amitabh Bachchan , Salman Khan, aur Shah Rukh Khan megastars hain- aur koi yeh baat nahin badal sakta.

Kahan se shuru kiya tha, aur kahan pahunch gaya- I feel like Anurag Kashyap of Gulal! :)

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  1. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

    Taran Adarsh 4.5, Komal Nahata 4.5, Raja Sen 3, Anupama Chopra 3, TOI 3.5, Ani Guha 3.5, SK Jha 4, Glamsham 5, Rediff 3, Rajeev Masand 2.5. Reviews bure kahan hain? Kahan hai bure? Ab Mihir Fadnavis ya Kunal Guha ke review matt dikhana- because they are not reviews- they are rants- agenda waali rants from mere ants.

  2. dr.nick

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    awesome write up bro.just imagine the things ETT is goin against today.RAMAZAN ,NORMAL WORKING DAY with action less salman fan friendly than bg or dabangg.and it still does 14.5cr which is the first day for most big films.sunday nd monday both will cross 20 cr comfortably.lifetime 175cr+ will be done and a 4th SOLO ALL TIME BLOCKBUSTER for salman

  3. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    Great read Piyush :) film will do 170+ yeh mei dhave se ke sakta hoon. Also majority of critics have liked it so another slap to the detractors.

    I don’t like to make any excuses. What the film has to do will do and everything else is irrelevant. However, the main thing isn’t Salman having another blockbuster/ATBB or smacking opening records. The main thing is his ETT or Dabangg 2 be the highest grosser of the year. That will make it 3 in a row and be a monumental achievement :D

    Egg on the face of all those who kept saying ETT is Agent Vinod 2 LMAO :D

  4. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    *smashing

  5. ank_16n

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    u saying “But obviously the makers decided to face the backlash of this seemingly alarming drop from all over- naysayers, disbelievers, haters, and also idealists (Who think that getting a 20Cr on a weekday is Halwa).”
    so ETT collected 20 cr on Thursday and Friday……thats a height of Inflation…..

    Second thing —-u again saying “So while Ek Tha Tiger does about 125 Cr in first 6 days ” how,can anybody in this world explain me?????
    Wednesday—31.25 cr
    Thursday——14.5 cr
    Total————45.75 cr
    now for 125 cr in 6 days is possible only if it collects 80 cr in next 4 days
    but u also say 13 cr on Friday
    so now
    total——-58.75 cr(3 days)
    it still needs 67 cr in 3 days
    now u say 20 cr on saturday —let see u say 3 Idiots is best Hindi movie
    if this best movie show a jump of 20% from its Friday to Sunday but we expect ETT to jump 60% from Friday ….osm news

    According to u If ETT doesn’t do 20 cr on Saturday then it has Bad Word of Mouth….k u r right….

  6. ank_16n

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    According to u If ETT doesn’t do 20 cr on Saturday and 25 cr on Sunday then it has Bad Word of Mouth….film is bad…..k u r right….

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    @ank_16 Yes Ank, if ETT fails to do at least two more 24-26 Cr days, it is not being appreciated much and would indicate average sort of word of mouth

    • ank_16n

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      than i think it has not that gud WOM because after HUgeeeeeee 1st day of 31 cr there is no way it can touch 26 cr……

  8. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    @ank_16 – firstly I didn’t understand what the hell you meant above

    Secondly, didn’t you predict 116 lifetime. Plz do be here on Tues once it crosses that mark.

  9. Superstar sam

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    @dwnpiyush
    very well explained…

    But noway ETT wil colect 20 cr on sat…its just craze before release that attract audience & that cant repeat on eachday…
    Sat wil be arnd 17 cr at best which is huge…
    That craze wil follow on eid day specialy among muslim..
    So sun & mon can be 22-25 cr…
    Then movie wil fall badly on tue bcoz huge weekend contribution…
    160-170 cr lifetime at best imo..

  10. ank_16n

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    I Predicted 116 cr lifetime???? dude that’s why u didn’t understood anything above i said…..enough said…..
    “Plz do be here on Tues once it crosses that mark.”——u weren’t that guy that said Above 20 cr Thursday???

  11. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    —u weren’t that guy that said Above 20 cr Thursday???

    Nope that wasn’t me. You’ve been made to look rather foolish ank_16 with your prediction which you made several times over. Instead of shifting blame just admit your error in judgement (which we’ve all done) otherwise stop blabbering.

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    Firstly I am just too excited to watch the film on 19th that is EID in UAE. With more bashing it is creating more excitement in me to go watch a film because No body I repeat No body up till now (the trusted source / members and non sallu fans) have exactly bashed it that will make you skip the movie. Like I said in my earlier threads most are busy in showcasing others reaction but the one who has seen ended up liking a totally different Salman product.

    Lets see the boxoffice reaction/prediction
    Mine and Doga’s 6 days expectation were 115cr (mine) and 110cr (doga’s) that was including EID. Apart from 3 members no body had predicted 30crs week before the release. rest all had 20cr -25cr.

    Now when there is 32cr.. 12 cr more than normal expectation of 20cr, distribute that 12cr into 4cr each for thursday, Friday and Saturday. doesn’t the picture looks bright? Anyways, what ever may be the result it will cross 6 day weekend expectations for sure. Does it have long legs? will see the trend from Tuesday to thursday and second weekend collection will give everyone an idea will it surpass 3Idiots or not.

    But no one can deny its rightful place to be the fourth consecutive Blockbuster of SALMAN KHAN and a gift to those who live in denial _I_

  13. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    @FS-sahi hai boss. I am too eagerly waiting to watch it on eid evening along with group of friends in dubai mall or al ghurair. BTW good reply above. Super likes…!!!

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    @dwnpiyush – aap ki baat to inn logon ke liye bahut comlicated hai. even if i simplify it further they wont understand if.

    look at it like this.

    thursday was 1st monday for ett (a full fledged working day after weekend)

    friday was tuesday for ett.

    now imagine a film that did 14 cr on friday, 18 cr on saturday (the total 32 cr that ett collected in one day broken down as 1st weekend collection) and then collected 15 cr on monday and 12 cr on tuesday, isnt that great collection and greatest possible trending.

    and to think the second weekend just starts tomorrow (saturday) and its an extended weekend with monday being eid.

    and the collections will be better by next friday (24 aug) than the 1st 10 day collections of any big blockbuster (u can compare it with rowdy 10 day collections).

    and then offcourse finally the total wud matter. at 150 cr ett is clerarly an atbb. but i guess they will give it atbb at 160.

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    [quote]thursday was 1st monday for ett (a full fledged working day after weekend)

    friday was tuesday for ett.[/quote]

  16. Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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    Forget first two days.
    Now all ETT needs to do is match the collection of ready and maybe rowdy rathore.
    If matches rowdy rathore then total collection is 175 crores

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    i dnt knw what will happen if the film doesnt show growth on Sunday and esp on EID!!

    what if only muslims will flock the theater (i dnt knw if they are soo starved to watch a film esp if its soo panned like ett) and no other religion people will come to see the film on monday!!

    Eating Sheer Khurma sounds much better than catching ETT in a theater

  18. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    (i dnt knw if they are soo starved to watch a film esp if its soo panned like ett)

    Don’t confuse ETT with Ra1 which was DEFINITELY panned, mocked and ridiculed.

  19. Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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    @ chalu: who said ETT is panned. Reviews have an avg of 3 stars. Many people saying it’s the best action movie in Bollywood

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    critics dont mean anything to rickshawala sallu fans…

    but wom does !!

    just imagine raja sen and masand giving more than 2 stars for a sallu film…

    that just means this film has gone wrong… the core audience will reject it..

    sallu’s film will run only when raja sen or masand give them terrible reviews … rickshawallas loove sallu’s terrible films. its their taste and no one can blame for it :(

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    bodyguard, ready, wanted,partner all tharshed by critics left right and center … but sallu’s core fan base liked it..

    for them he is their ravi kishen , their manoj tiwari, their kamal r khan!!

    sallu’s reputation came under scanner with ett

  22. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    @chalu – rickshawalla hoga tera baap. Me and my friends are all educated and some very highly educated so cut the crap.

    Anyway it’s funny how Salman haters who degrade him are the first to watch his films that too in the cinema. Hahahahaha

    P. S rickshawalla are human beings and have the same rights as every other person :)

  23. Naveed_EkThaTiger

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    By referring to Salman fans as rickshawalla or chaiwalla etc is indirectly or should I say directly trying to club us all as uneducated or lowlifes. Well even if that be true why the fuck do others care and on top of that if you find his films only worthy of being watched by the above type of people then why do you watch his films. Something doesn’t add up here does it LOL

    • dr.nick

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      seriously this is one thing which irritates me the most.trying to degrade a star by calling his fans as chaiwalla etc is the depth of insecurity haters have.

      • suprabh

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        Naveed, Dr Nick,

        In that case, you have nothing but your own boss Danish to blame…HE is the one who has been most vocal about segregating Salman’s fans as rickshawwala, tailors, mechanics and calling other stars’s fans as manipulative middle class men… !!

        • Aryan29

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          @suprabh what Lame kind of reasoning is this ? or is it just for the sake of mocking danish?

          First as far as i remember it were others like delight utkal who had started labelling Aamir fans as highle class users of imdb etc and salman fans from poor class as rickshahwala and danish was the one only to defend that so what was wrong in it ? or how does that make every salman fan as rickshahwala?.i mean by defending rickshahwalas do you also become rickshahswala WTF

          Even if danish had said that rickshahwala are also his fans that in no way means that ALL fans are like this.or how this gives right to other people to call every salman fan as rickshahswala? Pathetic lame reasoning.

          • suprabh

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            Aryan,

            On multiple occasions, Danish has portrayed Salman as chaiwala’s, rediwala’s, doodhwala’s, cyclewala’s, paidal wala’s, dabba wala’s, puncture banane wala’s, paan wala’s and rickshaw wala’s (also mechanic, parking lot ticket wala etc) poster boy and called middle class as a manipulative fraud audience… but at that time you were busy LIKING his comments so you will find everything else pathetic lame reasoning.

        • Aryan29

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          Suprabh but thats the point EVEN if he did then how does it gives right to others to call EVERY salman fan by that name??

  24. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

    @Naveed – Tera Baap is Amitabh Bachan fan i believe.

  25. Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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    Hey is Chalu a male or a female?

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    Someone dislikes my comment for saying Tera Baap is an Amitabh Bachan fan which is true.. WTF?

  27. rockie_EK THA TIGER

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    @Piyush: Nice writeup dude ….. and agree 100%..

    @Nav: Bro … AWESOME comment abt his BAAP being richshawaala …

    @chalu: I can understand your FRUSTRATIONS … pataa nahi EID ke din shayad tum suicide na karlo .. :P

    BTW chalu … tum shalu ki judwaa behen ho kya?? nahi tumhare khayaal kaafi milte julte hai …

    @Sup: Aajkal Salman fans ke itne peeche kyu pade ho??
    Kabhi MODS banke … kabhi suprabh banke??
    baaki ke logo ki harkate nazar nahi aati??

    Baaki film to MASHALLAH hai … advance for saturday is quite impressive … and Sun/Mon/Tue is still remaining …. :)

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    FS – must be Tera baap himself! He is abhishek bachchan fan. Check his dp. Probably he felt insulted because you called him an Amitabh Bachchan fan..

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    @chalu – sallu is our KRK and srk iis ur MJ. (Michael Jackson).

    and thursday friday were like monday tuesday for ett.

    @suprabh – i said that hoi polloi have their own vote of equal value. read my post on bollywood and democracy again.

    http://www.naachgaana.com/2011.....democarcy/

    nowhere does it say only ppl from one socio-economic class watch salman films. but wat is true is that alrge number of urban middle class had a pereejudice against him becoz he tried to include all segments in his audiences. and look finally how it paid.

    wait for a post on that vision of salman.

  30. Serenzy

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    “Kehne ka matlab yeh hai- har
    era ke apne challenges, apne
    faayde, aur apne quirks hote
    hain.”

    Nice Point & Interesting Write Up on BO Prospects Piyush!

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    @suprabh – mera reply nahin padha ya english samajh nahin aati?

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    Watching it for the second time today with family in Delhi. Cinema not decided- black mein tickets leni padegi looking at the advance booking.

    I think Sat should come to be around 17-18 and Today Sunday looks Massive- I will better have the experts put a number to it.

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    The Hindu and The Indian Express have given the film good reviews. So that implies all the leading national dailies- TOI, HT, Hindu, I. Express, DNA, Dainik Bhaskar etc. are carrying good reviews of the film! A first for a Salman Khan film I guess

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    I don’t mind being clubbed with the Rickshawwallahs, Chaiwallahs, Doodhwallahs, Paperwallahs… what’s the harm? Honest labor is akin to worship- and lack of education doesn’t make or break a man. Education does though.

    Anyway it is better than being a pseudo condescending fellow in awe with himself and his education.

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    I am doing okay in life- education money job everything- But is it really because of me. I was born in a privileged family- got everything I wanted- got some good genes- So I am reached a particular position in the society- a position that is quite above a majority of our masses. But can I feel proud about it? Can I brag about it? No. I got half of it on a platter- rest I managed somehow.

    This is not me I am speaking about- about a lot of us educated folk out here.

    Contrast that to a guy born in a chawl or a lower-middle class family. Son of a taxi-driver- got modest education- modest company- modest everything- and is doing modestly well in his modest life.

    Now can I assume myself to be better than that modest fellow? The society says yes- I say no.

    By birth only I am in better placed than 95 percent of our population.

    • Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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      Hats off to you for your comment.

  36. rockie_EK THA TIGER

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    @Piyush: Your writing is just like “PEARLS in the OCEAN”.
    I am a big fan of your writing and the main reason is you put a lot of emotion while you write and that shows.

    HATS OFF to you and your writing.


    On the topic, well people will find reasons to bash us by calling us as rickshawalla/chaiwalla … but come to think of it Salman’s movies are doing earth shattering business back to back. That indicates that rickshawllas and chaiwallas are quite RICH people who spend 400 to 800 Rs to watch Salman’s movies in High End plexes as well.

    I wud rather be a RICH rickshawalla then a POOR pseudo. :D

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    @Sanjeev, Thanks!

    @Rockie, Thanks man. I don’t write to impress anyone, but it does feel good when you get praise for anything you do. It’s human I guess. So thanks really.

    On the topic, I feel that Salman is currently blurring the lines between the strata of the demographics by the hysteria his movies are generating. Multiplexes mein shor ho raha hai. Ameer Ameer log (including myself) single screens jaa rahe hain crowd ke saath mazaa lene movie ka. Black mein lower middle class ke log bhi 300 300 mein tickets le rahe hain. Hindu muslims saath mein baith kar Bhai ko cheer kar rahe hain. Isi bahane Hindu bhi Eid mana rahe hain thodi bahut. I mean it is not exactly a major phenomenon, but it is a small but significant thing which many learned people might acknowledge sooner than latter in the newspapers and magazines. Sau baat ki ek baat yeh hai ki koi bhi religion ho, kisi bhi tabke se aap belong karte ho, essentially heroism screen pe dekhna accha lagta hai. Escapist entertainment accha lagta hai. Aur Salman woh bharpoor de raha hai is samay. Meri khwaish yeh hai ki woh is flow mein beh naa jaaye- bas.

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    @dwnpiyush – itna logic pseudos ki samjah jmien aa jaata to baat kya thai.

    @rockie lol @rich rickshawalla poor pseudo comment!

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    BOI says 16Cr Monday. So 110Cr after 6 days. I was expecting 125Cr including two 24 Cr days in Sunday and Monday (Sunday came close- but Monday didn’t even remotely). So have to concede that even in my view the film is carrying mixed reports and a average word of mouth in general.

    This is as of now. The second weekend and lifetime business would be a better indicator.

  40. Sanjeev-Ek-hai-tiger

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    Any way its sure ETT would have been a flop without salman. Even with salman it will fold within 150 crores. As I promised I ll have to quietly quit ng.

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