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The Definition Of All Time Blockbuster And The Biggest Scales Of success


Confident in the knowledge that not only a huge part of trade within the industry but even journalists come to naachgaana and take a cue or two (example – so many questions we raise in naachgaana have been appearing in ‘you asked it’ on boxofficeindia) i think this is the best forum to start a debate on what is an ATBB and what are the most important scales of success to measure films/stars on.

i will start with ATBB or all time blockbuster 1st.

 

there have been huge debates on this for a long time, within trade, in journals and offcourse naachgaana, the last mostly being star centric, from fans to benefit their fave stars. as of now atbb is decided based on revenue, roi and inflation adjustment, amongst other factors. now some feel only the grosser that broke the record of last highest grosser shud be called an atbb. but it has its limitations. for instance

1. a hugely popular film like ddlj will lose its atbb status but dhoom 2 does get it.

2. maine pyaar kiya the biggests hit of 80s will lose its atbb status, that to by a miniscule margin of a few lakhs, that are always debatable in the non-computerized 80s ( i am sure bachchan lobby saw to it that it wasnt reported as beating sholay record)

3. gadar and rab ne bana di jodi become atbbs. even as kuchh kuchh hota hai and raja h loose it.

basically any vague film, that collects high after a gap of few years, owing to steadily hiked ticket prices becomes an atbb. and all becoz of a lack of many groundbreaking hit in between, that were unable to cross last atbb, just becoz they released too close to it. losers wud be ddlj, jai santoshi ma and sangam (deserving atbbs) and raja h, kuchh kuchh (undeserving ones) and off course dabangg.

if the current definition of atbb is changed, in my view it shud be the ‘inflation adjusted highest grosser’ with inflation calculated not on national economy inflation or wholesale price index but on ticket price hikes (for instance throughout the 80s there was regular inflation but no ticket price hike. on the other hand inflation between 2000-2009 was regular again but ticket prices in metros multiplexes increased by roughly 6-7 times, making the averaged out ticket price (multiplexes and ss) at least double or even triple in the later part of the decade.

so in my view if a film crosses the inflation adjusted gross (netts keep changing as ent tax changes) of last atbb , it shud be called atbb.

however even this method doesnt take care of changing market dynamics. thru the 80s bollywood lost 30% of its audiences to VHS-VCRs and even to expanding doordarshan. in the 90s there came satellite televiosn which almost took away 70% audiences over the next two decadesand later even internet made a small dent.

another way to define atbb cud be the biggest hit of the decade. but then again some supersuvccessful films released closed to the biggest hit of the deacde lose out (jai santoshi ma, ddlj, rattan etc)

 

so obviously more suggestions are needed on this one.

as for scale of success, most ppl keep quoting atbbs/blockbuster/biggest openers/superhits etc etc to claim the films they think are more successful. but in my view the most neutral (time neutral as well as changing business dynamics neutral) scale of success is the ‘biggest hit of the year’ as…

1. in any era everyone is competing in similar circumstances, so market dynamics are adjusted for.

2. inflation is adjusted automatically.

3. its a very numbers driven thing unlike terms like atbb etc. for instance you can put a value of 10 to the biggets hit of the year, 9 to te 2nd biggest, 8 to the 3rd biggest etc. and hence it possible to calculate many more things.

however this method has a certain limitation. the films released in the early part of the year have a disadvantage as usually films in the later part of the year will get the advantage of increasing ticket prices. for instance the freak case of december 2005 release no entry earning 45 cr and becoming the biggest hit of the year while january 2006 release rang de basanti earns 50 and still doesnt. however this disadvantage is star neutral as any star cud suffer or gain in this way.

 

so i think the best way to guage the sucess of films/stars is ‘THE BIGGEST HIT OF THE YEAR’.

as for terms like super hit, super AAA plus etc, they were very juvenile and untrained (in both journalizm and business studies) journalists like B K Adarsh (taran’s father ) and mr watever nahata (komal’s father) floated them and kept chnaging according to their covenience and later refused to adapt them to market dynamics. so the sooner they are thrown out of the window, the better it is.

 

 

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  1. Alfa.one

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    @Yakuza – Why every time this typo ??? “Salman’s Bhans” instead of “Salman’s Fans” ???

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      Alfa.one jaise Bhans ke aage been bajane se koi fayda nahi .. vaise hi Sallu Fans ke aage .. :)

      PS : Not all, but most.

  2. rockie_EK THA TIGER

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    @Alfa one:

    Its intentional … yakuza ko itne dino se dekh rahe hai hum … we knw abt his “intentional” mistakes … :P

    but thts wht we expect from him …. jhooth, sarcasm, intentional mistakes to abuse salman fans …. iske alawa aur kuch bhi nahi .. :(

  3. hatsoff

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    Topic is something else and on going discussion is something else – Great…

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    @SV – did sooraj barjatya know hahk is going to be india’s second biggest atbb? even if he did, did all distributors/exhibitors also beleived in that. the whole thing of ticket prices being raised for hahk is a canard sperad by boi and others. (even the example u give of and the link, is that of a website. show me one newspaper report thats ays so from that period. there was no trend of raising ticket prices for different films. the pricaes were standard and were raised (with the intervention of state governments) and for all theateres in a state. anybody who is 35 years or older (any govt employess) wud tell u that. the theatres were allowed to raise ticket prices at their whims for individual theaters, individual films only after 1997 wen pvr saket, india’s first multiplex open in saket, new delhi, half kilometers from my residence. )

    the ticket prices increased through one year ( in different states) immediately after hahk and karan arjun was a partial beneficaiery of it with ddlj being the first major beneficiery. by the time ddlj came, all i8ndia prices had gone up by 40-50%. thats how ddlj with half the footfall of hahk has 85% of its revenue.

    and SV if u insist on ‘crossing previous grosser’ after inflation adjustment then there wud be no atbb after sholay. that methodology is flawed.

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    @pyaare – there is nothing extraordinary abt our boxoffice knowledge. most ppl who come to naachgaana are well versed with trade as they read up a lot and some (like doga) seem to be from the industry.

    @hatsoff – but breaking previous highest takes away the atbb status of mpk, ddlj, raja h and gives atbb status to dhoom2, oms hanti om and even rab ne bana di jodi for 15 days, before handing it over to ghaini. u think thats a scientific method?

    @serenzy – i did not say salmaalonepuleld audiences to kkhh. but he was a star who was in a position to pull audiences unlike the other exaples given in the comment i ws replying to. read carefully.

    and i do hope u like films on the basis of quality, not brand positioning. watching nagina, jai santoshi ma, and bodyguard and seeing if u liked them wud be a good test to check urself for it.

    @yakuza – how can u speak for all?

    and by the way ab to sanjeev jaise ‘newcomers’ bhi tumhaari nas nas se waakif ho chuke hain. ab to sharam karo. dekho to zara kaisie pol kholi hai sanjeev ne tumhaari.

    @sanjeev – excellent!

    @naveed – ab tumhe kya kahoon. tum to shuru se hi excellent ho. no one knows how to ‘call a spade a spade’ better than naveed.

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