When did you realise that you are a ‘chutiya’ ?

1- During the channal surfing When i first saw ‘Tarak mehta ka ulta chasma’. I thought WTF. How on earth someone can make this kind of serial and how someone can act in that stupid manner. But after someday i went to my wife’s chacha’s house and ‘TMKUC’ is thier fav serial. I thought OK they live in a small city so may be that is why they like this serial. But to my horror many of my office collegue also like it. Then i thought ‘Lagta hai main hi chutiya houn or something is wrong with me that jo sabko pasand aane wala serial mujhe pasand nahi aa raha’.

2- After a hurricane named Shivaji hindi movie channal started telecasting South indian movies. I watched them only to laugh because most of the movies are too bad to be good. I mean from the hero to dannce to fight everything so over the top. I thougt how and why south indian people love these kind of film and felt happy that hank god wo the hindi movie goers are far from these garbage. I even put south indian movies in number 3 in my post of “10 eye popping moments of indian cinema”. But again to my horror now there is a flood of south indian movies remake in bollywood and every remake is touching 100 cr. Again i am thinking ‘Lagta hai main hi chutiya houn or something is wrong with me that jo sabko pasand aane wala serial mujhe pasand nahi aa raha’.

PS- If you want a good laugh you can cheak my earlier post. Just type “10 eye popping ng” in google

93 Comments

  1. danish
    danish
    June 10, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    @serenzy – i spent all my (NG) life fighting for the fact that u cant disrespect the view of a rickshawwallaha nd a motor mechaninc, not ven undervalue it. its as valuable as that of leading intellectuals of naachgaana. i continously fight for equal (intellectual) rights of everyone aur aap mujhe hi chutiya banaane mein lage hain.

    if u read my commnet above u must have realized that after not liking DDLJ i did not call the majority chutiya. i tried to find out if it was a majority after all. aur aap mujhe hi chutiya banaane mein lage hain.

    @yakuza,pitambar and others – as for the footfall theory it is not the perfect or best option, its the best avavailbale option.

    if a film with 3 cr footfall may have been disliked by 50% then at least 1.5 cr ppl liked it. but a film with 10 lakh footfall, even if liked by 100% ppl still has only 10 lakh ppl liking it.

    in any case footall hamesha trending se high hote hain. just that u have made ur own defintion of trening. (For instance business from monday onwards is trending)

    boduguard had its second day as working day (thursday) after the mid week holiday of wednesday eid. so bodyguard’s 1st thursday was monday itself. if it had to crash on a working day, it wud have crashed on thursday and friday, affecting even saturday sunday business.

    also films with high base will always have low trending. there are just these many ppl who are willing to watcha a movie. now if all wartch it in 1st 5 days or over a period of 5 weeks, the endorsement comes from the same number of ppl.

    kahaani was watched by close to a crore. so even if 100% loved it it may still hav been liked by lesser ppl than bodyguard.

  2. random awaara
    random awaara
    June 10, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    @danish

    Yes, we can undervalue the opinion of rikshaw-wala in compare to middle-class(not including very rich people)person, not because he is less intellectual or any other vague reason.

    The lack of entertainment in life of rikshaw-wala or people in same category is the main reason that they will take maximum entertainment they can get from their money.They will not go for the quality of entertainment. But a middle class person will spend his money very wisely and would like get quality entertainment.

    for example. A person in middle of desert will try to take as much as water from his money even if it is dirty. It doesn’t make that water better than mineral water.

    Now take ZNMD. It was a good movie. Lots of english in it. Now a rikshaw-wala will not opt for this not because it is not good movie …but because he can’t understand lots of things in it. Now with your footfall theory you will say BG was better than ZNMD. Now that is bullshit.

    Take other example TZP . It was also good movie ….but then why these movies got rejected in single screen ?…. because audience there want maximum entertainment (of whatever quality) rather than quality entertainment.

    As a middle class person I will go with opinion of a middle class person not rikshaw-wala’s.

    Now next time you calculate footfalls then in patronizing population also count this factor. Because all these BG and RR are becoming hit because in India most of the population is below middle class and they want to get maximum entertainment out of their money whatever quality.

    You may say … movies are made for entertainment and whichever provide maximum that is better but I don’t go with that. In in a country where most of the people are not in my category(I’m not saying that I’m more intelligent) then I will not go with total no of footfall theory. I will only go with the footfall for the people in my category.

    In NG most of the people are in my category and when they say ZNMD is better than BG and you bring your footfall theory to show that BG is better …I will go with NG people. Period.

  3. danish
    danish
    June 10, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    @random awaara – ‘quality of entertainmenbt? dfine quality!

    i am not a rickshawwallah, i speak read and write english very well (infact i am an english literature student) i live in souh delhi but i think znmd was a juvenile, supeflous and pedestrian attemp at pop philosophy. so does that make me more descerning than you or the rickshawwallah? cud it becoz i have even more options of entertainment than u and u are a rickshwwallah in comparison here?

  4. random awaara
    random awaara
    June 10, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Well, I’m in bangalore and as I’ve lived in both bangalore and delhi ….I know bangalore has more options for entertainment.

    quality of entertainment is a subjective thing and sadly no scientific theory can be applied on subjective things. People who try to put scientific theory for subjective things don’t know about scientific theory. They should first know about scientific theory .

    When you say ZNMD was not good I respect you opinion but when you say BG is better than ZNMD because of scientific theory of footfall, I don’t give a damn because most of people in that theory are not in my category. You say ZNMD was
    a juvenile, fine. When did I say that people in same category should have same opinion. I say ZNMD is better because I liked it(watched it yesterday only after ood feedback) and most of people in my category also liked it.certainly there are few people who didn’t liked it but that thing is for each movie. But footfall theory will not represent quite correct opinion of people in my category , thats it.

    The problem with your theory that you consider patronizing population for each actor, but there should be patronizing population for each movie. You will say patronizing population of ZNMD and BG is equal but that is a simple lie.

  5. pitambar
    pitambar
    June 10, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    @danish ok now you are talking in absolute terms like that a movie watched by 1.5 crore people is better than a movie seen by 10 lakh people now this point absolutely contradicts your percent of patronizing population theory.

  6. random awaara
    random awaara
    June 10, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    one more example :

    maruti alto is sold more than all cars of BMW. Now you will say that maruti is better company than BMW on selling figure. No, you can’t say this. BMW sells cars in different category.

    You can say that Alto is best car in that category. In no way you can say that maruti is better than BMW.

  7. pitambar
    pitambar
    June 10, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    also one of the foot of your footfall theory is the percent of people who liked the movie out of those who went to watch it in theatres(i did not like kahaani coz i saw it on tv acc to footfall theory).now footfall theory actually fails here coz it just does not provide any means to calculate this percentage.even trending theory is slightly better in this case coz most people see the movie in the first week itself and the ones who go in the second week are mostly the ones who went for a rewatch and thus liked the movie.

  8. Kunal
    Kunal
    June 10, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Some more points where this theory is absolutely flawed is that…

    1. Bigger stars wuld obv have mdore people watching their films irrespective of the fact tht they liked it..loved it…hated it… or mildly liked it! The nu.ber of people thus in no way tells how much nd to what degree thwy actually liked it! By this theory’s almost oll of the bigger stars movies become better no matter how they actually are! I say likes of blue…cash or aag in the theatres nd hated them… but didn’t see khosla ka ghosla in the theatre but instead saw it on tv.. but its one of my most loved nd most watched movies of oll tym!! Nd so is the case for many people whu saw it… I hve uncountable number of friends whu ol have its dialogues learnt as they ol have seen it a number of tymes! But by footfall theory the likes of blue…tashan or aag are more enjoyed or liked by me!

    2. The thing is again the people watching it in theatres doesn’t just shw the extent to which they actually liked it! They may have gone becoz of hype or starvalue nd found it mildly entertaining or even hated it but haven’t gone to a movie in a theatre but when saw it on tv…just loved it! The thng is just based on collections one can’t regard bodyguard as great becoz lets be honest… people went to watch it becoz of salman and thus footfall theory does prove the star value but is no definate measure of hiw much they really liked it! Many people may have nt liked the movie or just found it mildly tympass nd nt really loved it nd just becoz they bought the tickets doesn’t make them love it before handed!

  9. Kunal
    Kunal
    June 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Also acc to this theory its really how a movie is but the amount of effort u put in marketing to promote it… number of promotionals item songs you put in nd how hit or appealing ur promos were tht defines how loved or good a movie is as these factors are gonna play a major role in the ultimate collections and footfalls that my movie is gonna get.. so acc to this theory not movie but these factoes are gonna decide how much the movie is gonna be loved…so if a movie is there..ni don’t promote it tht much nd it collects a certain amount..but when I promote it more… it increases its collections so it automatically becomes a better movie!!

  10. Serenzy
    Serenzy
    June 10, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    “I continously fight for equal (intellectual) rights of everyone aur aap mujhe hi chutiya banaane mein lage hain.”

    And even I clamour for Equality btwn both and Respect both kind’s f Audience Opinion after Reading ur Writings on NG.

    But diffrnce btwn me & u is, I respect whole audience(class+mass) opinion but wen some1 gives his true opinion dat ZNMD was wayyyy better than Ready den u call dat person(i.e Me) ‘Pseudo Intellectual’.

  11. Serenzy
    Serenzy
    June 10, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    “I continously fight for equal (intellectual) rights of everyone aur aap mujhe hi chutiya banaane mein lage hain.”

    And even I clamour for Equality btwn both and Respect both kind’s f Audience Opinion after Reading ur Writings on NG.

    But diffrnce btwn me & u is, I respect whole audience(class+mass) opinion but wen some1 gives his true opinion dat ZNMD was wayyyy better than Ready den u call dat person(i.e Me) ‘Pseudo Intellectual’.

  12. danish
    danish
    June 10, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    @random awaara – which clearly means different ppl like different films and their is no way to say this film is good and this ilm is bad. and if u must arrive at one film- it will have to be the one that is mmost endorsed/voted. and wat is the most comprhensive way to find out most voted – well footfall.

    @pitambar – its very obvious i am talking about two films in teh same universe. i wud not compare a chezch rebuplic ilm with a bollywood film.

    @kunal – point by point answer

    1. bigger stars are bigger by virtue of havig done better films nyays so as far as the debate for better actors is concerened its gets partially settled there itself. as for a much hyped film of a bigger star that wasnt much appreciated, trending, ROI and most importantly the scale of success viz a viz last few film of that star and other things do come into the picture. but footfall still remains the most dependable method (as opposed to teh revenue) for instance ra1 revenue is high (114 cr) but ootfall much lss than say a singham.

    2. i have relped many tims to this point, most recetly in acomment above. just like there is no way to prove all 2 cr ppl liked a film with high footfall, there is no way to prove all 10 lakhs ppl like a samller film. i can also say ppl hated a kahaani and a vicky donor, they just went to watch it in theater. but can i prove it? no!

    as i said trending fror a bodyguard starts on teh second day of the release itself with scrutiny being so high and modes f communication being so many. so any film is likely to have high footfall only if its liked ( high revenu is possile in many ways like selling tickets expensive, in dollars etc)

    and marketing only brings day one audiences. remeber wat happned to tees maar khan on day 2 and ra1 on day 3.

  13. danish
    danish
    June 10, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    @serenzy – but isnt ur last comment based on the assumption that its already proved that znmd is actually better than ready?

    wen was that proved? where? by who?

  14. random awaara
    random awaara
    June 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    ” it will have to be the one that is mmost endorsed/voted. and wat is the most comprhensive way to find out most voted – well footfall”

    Only if those footfalls are of people who are in my category . If most of people are in other category then their choice a doesn’t automatically make me consider other movies better.

    If most people can’t buy BMW it doesn’t make BMW worse than maruti alto for me and for anyone else.

  15. Kunal
    Kunal
    June 10, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    The marketing and hype of a movie just doesn’t stays fr a day but fr the whole weekend!! Nd the meekend collections are enough to determine a success!! Again fr whole theory tht a bigger star is bigger cause he has done better films and is thus a bugger star is flawed… a star becomes bigger becoz overall he has been liked or people kike him… which in no ways make any of his upcoming movies better by tht virtue alone as more people are gonna see his film in theatre!
    By tht case apart frm a handful of top stars… its pretty much guranteed people are nt gonna love any movie more irrespective of how a movie is!
    By footfall theory a movie like tmk has been more loved than say khosla ka ghosla or vicky donor!
    The thing is u just can’t take overall footfalls and than acc to them say it was loved more cause the degree to which the movie was liked or loved can’t be determined.. u confuse an overall acceptance of a movie with the amount it was loved.. a fairly reasonable accpetance of a big movie is gonna give much. More footfalls than a small movie but which is loved like crazy!!
    So ths whole footfall theory is flawed.. also acc to ths theory.. the type of movies tht are gonna be loved by people are predetermined… as a masal movie is anyday open nd collect more than other type of movie irrespective of hw much it was actually liked!

  16. Serenzy
    Serenzy
    June 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM

    “wen was that proved?
    where? by who?”

    No, it isnt Proved…And niether I am trying to Prove that ZNMD is Better than Ready BO Wise.

    What I am giving/stating is my ‘True/Honest Opinion’ of what I feel and u Danish, are Insulting that Opinion f mine by calling me ‘Pseudo Intellectual’.

    OTOH, I am Accepting the Verdict of the Masses on Ready(even if I find it Crap personally) and also Respecting ur view on it.

    But, u call me Pseudo if I prefer ZNMD over it.

    When I say, I genuinely like Wanted more then Dhobi Ghat den u don’t hv a Problm but the Minute I like ZNMD more den Ready I am Branded a Pseudo.

  17. mujtaba
    mujtaba
    June 18, 2012 at 12:46 AM

    sallu is the biggest lallu ever

    films like ready and bg doesnt even deserve a 50 cr ….andbut these bloody foolish minded sallu fans think they r like SHOLAY OR MUGHAL E AZAM…LOL

    THINK B4 U OPEN UR MOUTH

    long list of flops then partner

    long list of flops then wanted

    long list of flops then dabangg

    and few over promoted craps and beleive me,,,,hisotry gonna repaet itslef\\

    sherkhan and many more will be disaster

    this is sallu’s last year

  18. rockie_c83
    rockie_c83
    June 18, 2012 at 3:29 AM

    @mujtaba:

    Apna opinion apne paas rakho.

    Bodyguard is highest grosser SOLO hero movie of this century till date.

    Foolish minded Sallu fans nahi tum log ho. Ppl living in fools paradise.
    India has gives its verdict on BG. India loves BG.

    1. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM

      “Bodyguard is highest grosser SOLO hero movie of this century till date.”

      Ha Ha Ha !! [There was hilarious comment puts on moderation by mods].

  19. rockie_c83
    rockie_c83
    June 18, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    @Yakuza:
    On other thread you were crying that movies these days are not as good as they were in earlier days.
    And IF Sholay releases today it will do huge business …. and blah blah blah …


    Well who has stopped your bachchan to remake Sholay types movies?? Kisine roka hai kya??
    Karo …. karo naa …

    aur agar nahi hota … to FALLTU mei rona band karo… ye achacha nahi hai … wo achcha nahi hai …
    Khudse hota to nahi hai kuch …. to doosro ki success dekhke jallne lagte ho tum logg.

    —–
    The above comment is FACT. BG is highest grosing SOLO hero movie of this century till date.
    Ab tum jaise JALLKUKDE log to isko maanoge nahi …

    1. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 18, 2012 at 1:21 PM

      That comment was for some intelligent people, sorry if you mistakenly read that. There is no provision on NG to set visibility of comments based on brain level. So please forgive.

      “BG is highest grosing SOLO hero movie of this century till date.”

      There is a reply against this in moderation, you can read that comment by clicking on “pending” tab at dashboard and enjoy(only if able to understand).

      :D :D :D

  20. dennycrane1
    dennycrane1
    June 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    @mods-why was yakuza post on amitabh getting 140 crore deal closed..?no abuses…decent discussion still closed?random encounter or wat?

    @yakuza- aap kaun hote hai movie ki quality decide karne waale..mere liye toh 3 idiots has much more repeat value than sholay..granted sholay was a very good massala film..but masala movies has a trend..they open big n if good trend decently for 3-4 weeks and move out of the way wen another masala movie hits the theatres..thts wat would most likely happen to sholay today notwithstanding its really good quality..3 idiots is one of those few films tht has exceptional repeat value…not to say sholay doesnt..but if sholay can be watched 2-3 times on the trot..3 idiots can be watched many times more..

    about agneepath.u call an exact copy of al pacino’s scarface character legendary?its one thing to copy a movie..quite another to copy an entire performance and tht too copying very badly.amitabh’s portrayal of vdc was hamming at its extreme..no wonder it was a flop..hrithik’s portrayal of vdc was much much better..boxoffice collections of the movie prove it :D

    1. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 18, 2012 at 5:42 PM

      I am nothing but audience. You didn’t get correctly what i wrote. As per you if Sholay release today will do as much as any other blockbuster. But my point, if you do relative study, even in 1975 when it was released, it did 6 times of what big blockbuster of that time collect.

      Can you name me one movie of any era which collected 6 times business of a big blockbuster of that time ? This is where Sholay excels and its not for nothing that Sholay was termed as movie of century. No wonder Sholay will remain biggest movie of all time even after double century.

      3I was great entertainer and did two times of recent blockbuster Ghajini. But heyy .. its just 2 times .. not 6 times.

    2. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 18, 2012 at 5:43 PM

      About Agneepath 1990, check any collective community of reviews and poll, you will find your answer. At IMDB Old Agneepath is 7.5/10 and New Agneepath is 7.1 .. despite the fact that new movies, if good, generally got higher ranking than old movies. About performance of Amitabh and Hritik … conduct any poll any where .. you will get your answer.

  21. Yakuza
    Yakuza
    June 18, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    “boxoffice collections of the movie prove it ”

    Boxoffice collection proves Phir Hera Pheri was much much better than Hera Pheri. But even a 10 year old Kid knows which one was more liked.

    And just for sake of education, Old Agneepath was watched by more than 3 Crore audience, while New Agneepath by merely 1.25 Crore.

    Now ball is in your court, whatever you like.

  22. dennycrane1
    dennycrane1
    June 18, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    yakuza-sholay wen comparing wid modern films should be subject to modern parameters..you seriously think sholay if released today would do 6 times of ghajini?..i think not…piracy,and even decent competition would have hurt sholay a lot more..these days so many films release week after week..the max free reign it would have got would have been 2-3 weeks…thts why i maintain tht sholay had it released today would have been a sure shot blockbuster..but at max it would have made around 3 idiots total..today if films if well liked trend like dabangg ready and rowdy,if super trend like 3 idiots..gone are the days wen exceptional movies trended for months..even extremely well loved movies like 3 idiots lasted maybe 16 weeks of which it made the maximum money in its first 6 weeks giving way to other biggies…sholay too would probably fared similarly at max…so for u to even think that sholay would have made 600 crores is just laughable..

    so yakuza its well and good tht u r trying to prove amitabh as the greatest..and until now he is..no dispute with that..but disrespecting todays superstars by trying to imply sholay would have made 600 -700 crores is simply silly

    as for agneepath imdb ratings old agneepath rated 7.5 from 1938 users…whereas new agneepath rates 7.1 from 5324 users…how conveniently u missed out on tht little detail

    and before u think i hate amitabh..i just wanted to let u know tht i have loved most of big b performances n his best is amar akbar anthony which i dont think any one can reprise it tht beautifully

    but i just laugh wen his fans deem agneepath acting to be legendary..even u cant deny tht it was a shameful ripoff of al pacino’s scarface..i dont mind copying movie..but copying al pacino’s acting frame to frame is a shame imo..and the worst of his performance was his fake voice ..which obviously was a tony montana wannabe..

    as for agneepath footfall..thoda piracy ka bhi account karlenge..today a movie if it hass even a hint of bad report will be watched by many online within a day..a super disadvantage the old agneepath was lucky not to have

    1. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

      Unfortunately you are again missing a larger point. But first let me clear you last thing first …

      1. Total movies released in a year has not much variation at least from mid 70’s .. Every year around 150-200 movies are being released in bollywood. From 1969-1991 Amitabh did around 70 movies .. This is almost three khans combined volume. Every year his 4-5 movies was releasing in that phase and even succeded. (FYI from 1973-1988 only 5 of his movies were flops out of around 60 releases)

      2. Whatever was demographics and economical situation is in any era, its same for every movie. If Sholay collected 6 times more than any big blockbuster around that time .. this means repeat audience of sholay was in much larger proportion. In same business demographic situation, no other movie of that time can come close to Sholay for as good as 20 years.

      3. Apart from highest ever grossing movie of about 6 times of any big blockbuster of that era, it also holds 20 years of highest grossing movie record. Now days Three idiots crossed Ghajini within one year and i am sure Three idiots will not be able to hold its record by end of this year.

      And last, i am not defending Sholay because of Amitabh . . just stating pure facts about greatest movie of century.

      Now about Agneepath, you didn’t like it, i respect your opinion. But that is your personal opinion, you can’t force me to take it. All old movies have lesser voting at IMDB, but still with 1938 votes one thing is very much clear “Agneepath is among those rare movies of late 80’s which have around 2000 votes and average rating of 7.5. Can you give me just 3 movies of entire 80’s with such high rating and such high votes ?? ”

      And last .. about piracy now .. In late 80’s official Video cassette of movies were releasing on same day as movies released. Boom of VCR and Video Cassettes was hitting hard and Video theaters were all time rising.

  23. danish
    danish
    June 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    @dennycare – but yakuza is comparing sholay with films of the 70s operating in the same market dynamics. still sholay did 3 times (6 times is an exaggeration by the bachchan worshipper) the business of the other biggest hits of that, not only the year but the entire dacade. that has never happned before or after sholay and that makes sholay exceptional.

    yes hum aapke hain kaun made almost 4 times the previous blockbuster but within the next year another film (ddlj) had had 85% collections and 55% footfall of hahk. both sholay’s collections remained three times of any biggest blockbuster for the next 5 years, and was broken after 19 years. thats a huge acheivment.

    @yakuza – kabhi footfall ki bata karte ho, kabhi trending ki kabhi collections ki. ek startegy rakho na!

    1. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 19, 2012 at 12:09 AM

      Danish Sholay did 30 Crore, Initial Run of 2 years 16 Crore and then rest of phase 14 Crore more. see this . .

      I think we have previously discussed this.

    2. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM

      And here is another proof which confirms its two phase selling price and returns till 1984. Sholay was sold for average 28 Lakh per territory and earned average 3.5 Crore per territory (Around 24.5 Crore All india business of 7 territories). And in 1984 again it sold for 45 Lakhs per territory. Now guess .. A 1975 movie which already earned24.5 Crore in 0 years sold again for price almost double than its original selling price. No wonder even this price was recovered and movie was sold again multiple times in next 20 years (1991, 1998, 2004(or 2003 not sure)). Now can you imagine its business ??

      Check this entire business here ..

      http://www.naachgaana.com/2012/05/26/economics-of-box-office-hit-in-1984/

      1. Yakuza
        Yakuza
        June 19, 2012 at 12:16 AM

        Putting that scan here ..

  24. Phantom
    Phantom
    June 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    Dharmendra rocked totally in Sholay. Had he been in RGV ki AAG, it wud hav been an ATBB. Par isko hatakar Disaster Bachchan ko sign kar liya. And we all know the final result

  25. rockie_c83
    rockie_c83
    June 18, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    @Yakuza:

    You are stuck in 80’s. This is your problem. Let it go … !

    You are comparing each and every movie releasing today with Sholay and saying this movie is nothing compared to Sholay.

    —-
    Because of this attitude you are not able to enjoy any movies of this era and are complaining about each and every movie.
    This is crap … that is crap.

    If you feel its crap then stop watching movies, why keep on crying ??

    —-
    Today even your bachchan cannot re-create Sholay …..
    You fighting with us is not going to change the FACT.

    GET WELL SOON …. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU …. :P

  26. dennycrane1
    dennycrane1
    June 18, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    danish-but by saying sholay did 6 times more than the next biggest of its time..whereas wen 3 idiots released it just did double of ghajini..he is trying to imply sholay in todays time could have done 600 crores…i have no doubt sholay was the biggest of its time..but in todays market scenario 3 idiots doing double of previous biggest is equivalent to sholay doing whatever times it did over previous record holder…for 3 idiots to hold onto its record for more than 2 years now at a time wen records are being broken right left and center shows how difficult it is to reach 200..now if some movie does 400 now..wouldnt tht be equally impressive as sholay doing 6(3) times more than its nearest competitor coz today holding a record even for a year is difficult..and double toh chodo doing 11/2 times of 3 idiots would be equally impressive

    @yakuza-piracy and social media affects a film much more than it did years ago on a much larger scale..and regarding amitabh doing 4-5 films..media exposure was lot less those days…today if a star releases too many movies..ppl start getting tired as there are many other choices too..and had amitabh been of this generation he tooo woulld have to settle for doing two films a year as there are just too many movies releasing

    1. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 19, 2012 at 12:29 AM

      You are not able to understand one little point .. what ever the advantage of 70’s .. it was for every movie, still only Sholay able to collect 6 times of previous blockbuster. And what ever pros/cons today movies has, is applicable for all movies .. still no one able to match the magic of Sholay. The thing is unless any magical movie come and do magical business, no one would be able to judge the scale of business a movie can do. Suppose if three idiots wouldn’t have been released, we were celebrating only 140 Crore .. and looking for this benchmark only. 200 Crore would have like impossible figure .. but now we know this has been achieved.

      Do you know what is market potential today ?? A movie released on 3000 prints can collect around 120-130 Crore on 3 days weekend and around 280 Crore in seven days week if occupied 100% all over. The thing is unless some one come and do .. bench marks will remain low and you will celebrate that modesty only and completely unaware about what actually can be done.

  27. Dino
    Dino
    June 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM

    @phantom- but it is still it is better than giving heroine dominated ATBB and being reduced to side hero of a heroine. Hee Hee.

  28. Phantom
    Phantom
    June 19, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    but did salman stop giving ATBBs after that??

    Amitabh has just one ATBB, thanx to Dharam Paaji
    likeways even Chunky Pandey has an ATBB, thanx to Govinda.

    1. Yakuza
      Yakuza
      June 19, 2012 at 12:50 AM

      Verdicts are subjective opinion. Keep it to your self. Amitabh never stopped giving record breaking openings one after another which unfortunately Salman never had till 2010.

      Well a little introduction to you about Amitabh ..

      “Amitabh is Amitabh”. “There’s no one like Amitabh”. “Nobody can match Amitabh Bachchan’s popularity”. These and similar statements are commonly heard. And not just in the film trade but also among the general public.

      What is it that makes Amitabh so different from the others of his ilk? Why in the last 30 years have we never had any actor who has had the same fan following and who could clearly step into his shoes? What is it that really made Bachchan stand above all the other stars who’ve come after the superstar first made an appearance on the screen in 1969 in Saat Hindustani?

      Quite simply, Bachchan’s string of box-office hits! One after the other, the actor’s films hit the jackpot with such alarming regularity that in the seventies and eighties, Amitabh Bachchan became the safest bet for producers, distributors and exhibitors alike. I use the world alike to differentiate the scene that existed when Bachchan was the numero uno and the one that exists today.

      For instance, a Salman Khan today may guarantee mega-bucks for the producers of his films but there’s no like guarantee that distributors and exhibitors of his starrers will also make money. As in the case of most of his releases before his latest, Tere Naam. While producers of Salman-starrers made table profits, distributors of his films burnt their fingers rather badly when those films flopped. It was after almost two-three years that everybody associated with a Salman-starrer made money in Tere Naam.

      Ditto in the case of films of other topline stars like Shah Rukh Khan, Aamir Khan or others like Ajay Devgan, Anil Kapoor, Sunny Deol or, for that matter, anybody else. Why, even current heartthrob Hrithik Roshan’s films such as Aap Mujhe Achche Lagne Lage and Na Tum Jaano Na Hum entailed heavy losses to its distributors. That used to not be the case with Bachchan flicks.

      Secondly, merely the superstar’s name was enough to draw in the crowds into cinemas in his heyday. Today, no hero can boast of such charisma as to lure the audiences to theatres on the sheer strength of their names. Shah Rukh Khan’s home production, Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani, could not even manage decent houses on the opening day, leave alone full houses. Anil Kapoor has never really drawn initial crowds; his starrers usually pick up by word of mouth publicity if they are good. Even action heroes like Ajay Devgan and Akshay Kumar had had to remain content with dismal opening of their flicks on more occasions then one.

      But the Bachchan magic was one of a kind. Whether it was Prakash Mehra’s Zanjeer in 1973 or Manoj Kumar’s multi-star cast Roti Kapada Aur Makaan in 1974, Yash Chopra’s evergreen Deewaar or Ramesh Sippy’s all-time blockbuster Sholay in 1975, Bachchan’s first film with Rekha – Do Anjaane – in 1976 or Manmohan Desai’s biggest entertainer, Amar Akbar Anthony in 1977, the two common features in all these hits were Amitabh Bachchan’s towering presence in them and a bumper box-office initial draw. Don, Trishul and Muqaddar Ka Sikandar made 1978 a memorable year for the Big B. The following year may not have been as good but Bachchan, nevertheless, did deliver Mr. Natwarlal and Suhaag in the last year of the seventies.

      The next decade was equally exciting for the superstar who did not seem to age at all. Today, when heroes find it difficult to hold their own for even ten years, Amitabh Bachchan ruled the box-office for over two decades as the undisputed Maharaja of movies with no close second! Ram Balram, Laawaris, Naseeb, Khuddar, Andhaa Kaanoon, Coolie, Sharaabi and Mard were some of the actor’s great hits of the first half of the eighties.

      Of course, when Amitabh Bachchan reigned supreme, films did not have to face the opposition of video and cable piracy as today. Cinema-going was the only and cheapest form of entertainment for the masses who identified with the angry young man image of Bachchan. But where films of the great actor did not have to fight the piracy battle or even the opposition of countless satellite channels, the media hype too was far less during his days. He did not have every television channel covering him or his films because there were simply no satellite channels. He even went off press for a few years but for that, he had only himself to blame.

      Yet another factor that went in Bachchan’s favour in making him the darling of all sections of society was his unbelievable versatility. It is not for nothing that the Big B became a superstar. Although he was adored in angry young man roles, he never let down his fans in non-action films too. Comedy, like action, was his forte and if he could represent the frustrations of the helpless youth of those times, he could as well play the comedian with equal élan. Chupke Chupke and AAA come to mind instantly when one thinks of Bachchan’s flair for comedy. With equal ease, Amitabh also played the intense lover as in Kabhie Kabhie and Silsila.

      he range which Bachchan portrayed in his performances remains unmatched even today. Like the superstar’s fees those days. The actor used to command a remuneration which was more than double that commanded by the actor who was second in popularity. It was Amitabh who started the trend of an actor taking the distribution rights of a major territory like Bombay in lieu of his remuneration. And while distribution rights were, in those days, generally sold for ten years, the superstar bought perpetual rights.
      Today, films do businesses of Rs 15 and 20 crores per major territory. But in the seventies and eighties, when Rs 1 crore was the magical figure, several of Bachchan starrers touched and even crossed the Rs 1-crore mark.

      Amitabh is also the last star to have had a universal appeal that cut across geographical boundaries. Whether it was the man on the street in Ludhiana in the North or Latur down South, whether it was a company executive in Porbandar in Western India or a college student studying in Patna in East India, the fondness for Bachchan was the same.

      Today, a Sunny Deol runs more in Northern Indian because of his action image, a Govinda is a hot favourite of U.P. and Bihar whereas a Shah Rukh Khan flick generally records dull collections in Bihar. That is to say, Amitabh’s charm affected the audiences in the North, South, East and West with equal intensity. Not just in India, but across the seven seas too, Amitabh reigned supreme for over two decades. His super-hit stage shows bore testimony to his immense popularity the world over.

      Again today when jubilees are more manipulated than actual, Amitabh’s films celebrated genuine silver, golden and platinum jubilees. r Akbar Anthony in 1977 celebrated silver jubilee in as many as 9 cinemas of Bombay, a record unparalleled even today! In the year 1978, six of Amitabh’s films celebrated jubilees, yet another record which remains unequalled to-date!

      Even after Bachchan’s downswing began, the actor managed to make successes out of ordinary films like Shahanshah in 1988, Aaj Ka Arjun in 1990 and Hum in 1991.

      A three-year sabbatical in the nineties was followed by a disastrous comeback with Mrityudaata, a film which Amitabh’s critics condemned as the death-knell of the actor. But Bade Miyan Chote Miyan and Major Saab thereafter gave him a breather. BMCM in 1998 might have crossed the average line because of Govinda’s antics but Amitabh Bachchan’s towering presence in the David Dhawan flick cannot be overlooked.

      With KBC on Star Plus, the ageing actor’s fan following increased even more. Once again, critics derided Amitabh’s foray into television and predicted that this surely would be the end of his career on the big screen. But once again, Bachchan proved his detractors wrong! Rather than adversely affecting his film career, KBC actually gave it a big boost.

      Did you know?

      No star has as many hits and super-hits to his credit as Amitabh Bachchan. Of the over 100 films in which he had full-length roles, more than 35 films have been either hits or super-hits! His list of hits: Bombay To Goa, Abhimaan, Namak Haraam, Zanjeer, Kasauti, Majboor, Roti Kapada Aur Makaan, Chupke Chupke, Deewaar, Sholay, Do Anjaane, Hera Pheri, Kabhi Kabhie, Adalat, Amar Akbar Anthony, Parvarish, Khoon Pasina, Don, Ganga Ki Saugand, Trishul, Kasme Vaade, Muqaddar Ka Sikandar, Mr. Natwarlal, Suhaag, Dostana, Ram Balram, Barsaat Ki Ek Raat (Bengali version: Anusandhan), Laawaris, Naseeb, Yaarana, Kaalia, Khud-dar, Andhaa Kanoon, Coolie, Sharaabi, Geraftaar, Mard, Aaj Ka Arjun, Mohabbatein and Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham…Besides these, there were several other films which were successful but not hits.
      He is the only actor who gave at least one hit every year for 14 consecutive years – from 1972 (Bombay To Goa) to 1985 (Mard).
      Amitabh has played double and triple roles in a number of films. His double role starrers include Don, Kasme Vaade, The Great Gambler, Desh Premee, Satte Pe Satta, Aakhree Raasta, Toofan, Bade Miyan Chote Miyan and Sooryavansham. Adalat and Mahaan had the superstar in triple roles.
      Amitabh has acted in 9 films directed by Hrishikesh Mukherjee, viz. Anand, Abhimaan, Namak Haraam, Chupke Chupke, Mili, Alaap, Jurmana, Gol Maal (only a guest appearance) and Be-Misal. With Manmohan Desai, he did 8 films – Amar Akbar Anthony, Parvarish, Suhaag, Naseeb, Desh Premee, Coolie, Mard, Gangaa Jamunaa Saraswathi – besides one with Manmohan Desai as producer and son Ketan Desai as director (Toofan). Prakash Mehra directed the superstar in a total of 7 films – Zanjeer, Hera Pheri, Khoon Pasina, Muqaddar Ka Sikandar, Laawaris, Sharaabi, Jaadugar. With Yash Chora, the superstar did 5 films – Deewaar, Kabhie Kabhie, Trishul, Kaala Patthar and Silsila – besides one, with his son, Aditya Chopra – Mohabbatein. Ramesh Sippy directed Bachchan in the latter’s (as well as the former’s) biggest hit, Sholay, besides Shaan, Shakti and Akayla. His son, Rohan Sippy, made his directorial debut with Bachchan’s son, Abhishek (Kuch Naa Kaho).

      http://web.archive.org/web/20050909023543/http://sify.com/movies/bollywood/fullstory.php?id=13281410&page=2

  29. Phantom
    Phantom
    June 19, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    Must say Chunky Pandey’s PR machinery is lazy enough to not publish articles like this. Ye uske barabar ATBB waale chote mote star PR ke dum pr kaha se kaha pahuch gaye

  30. Dino
    Dino
    June 19, 2012 at 1:59 AM

    yakuza – LMAOO no need to present such lists for blind Sallu fans. Firstly, half of these sallu fanatics( there are still some reasonable sallu fans out here) don’t even know that ATBB term is introduced by BOI in 2000s whereas when Amitabh was king the biggest verdict was super duper hit and only source was FI which has 7-8 super duper hits for Amitabh the highest verdict in those times. Most importantly, Sallu took 21 years to finally give a record opener in 2010 which is the only proof of superstardom , Akki gave it much earlier in 2007 as well as Hrithik in 2006. Sallu is superstar only since 2010 before that his openings were even half that of Akki films coming every 2 months.

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