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This movie looks SMASHING! Aishwarya and Abhi are so gonna rock this year! The intensity in both of them here is outstanding!
May 31, 2010
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KICKASS! This movie will so rock rock rock
Blockbuster! 100 Cr+
Awesome promos. Only time will tell how much it will make at boxoffice. But Promos/Trailers so far are real Kick Ass.
will not do more then 60-70cr, cost is too high
“will not do more then 60-70cr, cost is too high”
Power, you mean as cost is high, it will not cross 60-70 or vise versa ? He He
btw on serious note, cost is not too high. 100 crore inclusive prints and publicity for all three version is just a throw away price. Even if you fix 60 Crore for hindi version, 60-70 Crore Nett collections will a very much Clean Hit business. It has to perform like Housefull for clean Hit (if we fix the cost at 60 Crore).
Yes 70 cr for Hindi version should make it a clean hit. And I had already predicted 80 cr plus without seeing the dialogue promo.
Eh… Is it just me or are Ash-Abhi overacting to death.. Like sudden movements of head..
P.S :- Raavan is like THE movie I wanna watch.. And I loved its trailers in the beginning.. So, not being hater or anything but these promos are kinda underwhelming..
This is a blockbuster on its way.
Abhishek’s first, well Dhoom2 was all about Aishwarya and Hrithik. Bring it on!
Agree Ihab. Despite the superior music, all the promos have been underwhelming. I dont count great background scenery, camera movement or cinematography for much, if the actors don’t deliver. Ash can hardly ever act in scenes of emotional intensity, so her perf is quite predictable. But I am not sure which Abhishek has Mani been able to extract out here. I was hoping for a Yuva/Guru repeat, just not seeing it so far in these promos. Baaki picture dekhne mein hi pata chaega.
^That’s the most absurd thing I’ve come across reading today that Aishwarya doesn’t know how to act. Perhaps that’s why Mani Ratnam took her for 3rd time in his film. Of course, what does he care for acting and knowledge of filmmaking. And I never knew people were expecting Lallan in Guru and Gurukant Desai in Raavan. This is a new one.
This movie looks powerful, and Abhi Aishwarya and Vikram will rock this.
hmmm… okay.. i mean good… i mean… well.. passable..!!
though ash looks amazing to say the least!
“Thatâ€™s the most absurd thing Iâ€™ve come across reading today that Aishwarya doesnâ€™t know how to act. Perhaps thatâ€™s why Mani Ratnam took her for 3rd time in his film. Of course, what does he care for acting and knowledge of filmmaking.”
You are right. Ash is a great actress because Mani took her for for 4th time. A few weeks back when I commented that its Ash’s 3rd film with Mani you were quick to point out that it is 4th time as it is two versions Tamil and Hindi of Raavan. Seems like you yourself forgot.
So is Esha Deol a great actress too since Mani worked with her in Yuva? Is Anu Agarwal a great actress too since Mani worked with her in Thiruda Thiruda?
O wait a minute…
Esha Deol also did 2 movies with Mani – Yuva and Ayitha Ezhuthu (tamil version of Yuva)
Is it Aayutha Ezhuthu or Ayitha Ezhuthu? IMDB has Ayitha Ezhuthu. I dont know Tamil picked it up from IMDB – no offense intended.
what were the roles of Esha Deol and Anu in those movies? I don’t even recall them clearly because they were so bad, and of course there is no repeat value.
And yes, it is Aishwarya’s 3rd film or 4th film. The point is still the same.
Dont joke Ash is a bad actress! SHe is superb in whateva she does!
I wil put her behind Priyanka Chopra at no.2, in terms of acting!
“what were the roles of Esha Deol and Anu in those movies? I donâ€™t even recall them clearly because they were so bad, and of course there is no repeat value.
And yes, it is Aishwaryaâ€™s 3rd film or 4th film. The point is still the same.”
So now its what roles they did? Esha Deol was the actress opposite the main hero of the movie Ajay Devgan in Yuva and she had as much screen time as Kareena/Rani. Its been many years since I saw Thiruda Thiruda so I dont remember but I think Anu’s character was integral to the plot.
What role did Aishwarya have in Iruvar? She plays a double role the first one lasts a few minutes and the second one is there just as eye candy to look good in the songs. There are actresses like Tabu, Revathy and Gowthami in important roles.
Spot on sputnik!
this is the looking the like the movie of the year. i had the same vibes when i saw Ghajni trailer and i’m getting it again with this movie. the look,music and now the dialogue trailers are looking AMAZING!!!!!!
this is going to ROCK!!
here’s one i made earlier
another thing i’d like to add is that the song trailers and now the dialogue trailers have been released with gr8 timing because ppl will now be itching to see this movie because the songs and now the trailers will cause gr8 anticipation among audiences.
I can’t wait for this movie!
Well, if Mani pulls off the story, at least current events (Naxalite menace) will give a bit of context to the audience. But rarely has Mani been able to pull off stories to attract the North Indian audiences. He always infuses memorable moments in his movies, but ultimately they lack in wholesome entertainment (ie wrt North Indian audiences only, Im sure he is a God down South).
I cant recall the last time there was a husband-wife pair in a movie which had the hubby as the antagonist, especially one here who is trying to kill his off-screen wife. IMO, that is the biggest novelty and curiosity factor of the movie.
Saifeena dont count (not married yet, lol!)
I meant ‘off-screen’ husband wife actor pair..
“Well, if Mani pulls off the story, at least current events (Naxalite menace) will give a bit of context to the audience. But rarely has Mani been able to pull off stories to attract the North Indian audiences.” Mani has connected to North Indian audiences very well with contemporary stories. Guru of course. But have you forgotten Roja and Bombay?
And Aishwaraya surely can act. Show me a two-time Filmfare award winer who cannot act. And it is not just Mani. Even Bhansali ( HDDCHS, Devdas, Guzaarish) and Rituparno Ghosh ( Chokher Bali, Raincoat) have repeated Ash in their films. And I dare anyone to claim that these two directors would take an actress who cannot act.
Problem with many directors(including Mani Rathnam) are that they bring too much of their culture even when they are making movies based in different culture.
Look at Raavan, the makeup and costume of Aishwarya, songs, etc are too South Indian. I do not think Raavan is based in South India. Raavanan yes, not Raavan.
Same was the case with Dil Se. Mani made Manisha dress like South Indian though her character was based in North East. A major blunder. That’s a main reason why noone identified with he character. She looked like another Roja.
I think all herioine in Mani’s film resembles Roja.
Some nice points by Sputnik, nykavi and Gorilla
I tend to see two problems with mani
1) Location: As Gorilla says, you cannot keep passing off South India for some North Indian location. Not done. The topograpy plays a vital part and the best of films use their locations as a character. Culture-specific factors will enter a film, but the makers should try and bring authenticity where they can. it happened recently with Bumm Bumm Bole as well, where Priyadarshan used Ooty for Assam! There is a limit to how much you cheat. It’s one thing to use Wai in Maharashtra for Swades and Omkaara, but quite another to pass off Kerala and TN as UP or Bengal!
2) The other issue I have with Mani are his women characters. is it just me but they all look the same to me, in appearance and character traits. All sari-clad mostly, fair , feisty/rebellious (self-consciously so). Lots done for effect. I don’t say this is necessarily a bad thing, but there is a definte sense of deja vu in all his female characters.
On Ash, I think she can be very good sometimes. She is a director’s actress. Her expressions in the above promo reminds me of Provoked.
On Sputnik’s point, I don’t think Mani really cares about his leading lady being a good actress. He wouldn;t have taken Ash in Iruvar otherwise, when she was just a model. I dare say, Mani is one for appearances. He wants good-looking frames above everything else – the recurring twins in all his films is that attempt at achieving ‘cuteness’ – nothing else.
“Well, if Mani pulls off the story, at least current events (Naxalite menace) will give a bit of context to the audience. But rarely has Mani been able to pull off stories to attract the North Indian audiences. He always infuses memorable moments in his movies, but ultimately they lack in wholesome entertainment (ie wrt North Indian audiences only, Im sure he is a God down South).”
Not just North Indian audiences, I just think Mani starts off with excellent concepts, the narrative gets derailed somewhere along the way. The sum of his films is seldom greater than the parts. As you say, camera angles and great shots is one thing. But ultimately, it should all add up and give you an emotionally satisfying experience. That has not happened with Mani’s films in Hindi
Raavan looks good but lets not hype it up and expect it to make XYZ and then be disappointed.
June 1, 2010
“Not just North Indian audiences, I just think Mani starts off with excellent concepts, the narrative gets derailed somewhere along the way. The sum of his films is seldom greater than the parts.” NOT TRUE. Nayagan is one of the greatest Indian movies ever. Roja and Bombay connected very well and gave complete emotional satisfaction to both south Indian and north Indian audiences. Geethanjali, Anjali, Mouna Raagam, agni Nakshatram, Alay Payudhe, Kannathil Muthumital … were very satisfying total cinematic experiences.
Yes, in Hindi proper Mnai has made three films out of which Guru worked and Dil Se and Yuva did not. And Sandy, you are right, in Guru the scrippt ruled and the cinematography, choreography played a secondary role ( though they were as top quality as in the other two films, but they did not draw so much attention as the script and the story telling kept you engaged and that went in favour of Guru. I for one believe that that is the way a god film should be made. Mani is capable of that though he has flundered a few times.
Interesting comments folks !
This might be amusing to you, but Mani is perceived problematic down-south for showing a glossy, superficial landscape (some believe very North-ish! Perhaps the term we’re looking for here is ‘Pan-Indian’), with good-looking ordinary actors (in case of Arvind Saamy, Aishwarya Rai, Abhishek Bachchan, etc) and in general, a lack of nativity and rustic backdrop. The dialogues might be subtle, but also seen superficial unless rendered by superior actors. In this respect, likes of Bala, Kamal and few other Tamil new wave directors (I don’t think much of this “new wave” – but the point here is the rustic authenticity) are far more appreciated, just as Vishal B or what have you, up-north. His casting choices are looked down in his Tamil films. As they don’t fit into right context, backdrop – notably the accent. Ex, Madhavan as the slum hoodlum in Ayutha Ezhuthu, Mohanlal in Iruvar, Aishwarya rai in the same film, etc…
And in case of Raavan, Vikram looks Southern in a role I’d presume to be Aryan descendant. Aishwarya Rai is also a South Indian – but at least she feels more ‘Northern’. The costumes are restricted to Salwars and classical costumes (as she plays a classical dancer) that cannot be broken down to “South” IMO. It’s only when she turns to be a captive, she’s resorting to more toned-down Dravidian ‘rustic’ (although she hardly looks one, let’s face it) costumes, as one would presume there’s a Dravidian connotation to this tribe. But why is Abhishek playing a leader of such a tribe? So in principle, the role reversal is maintained in all characters. Is this a conscious choice? One has to assume ‘yes’.
All said, I’ve lowered down my expectations. Let’s just say the promos didn’t get my hopes up. But then again I’ve never rated Mani’s Hindi films except Dil Se and most of his Tamil films are far superior in content, and execution. IMO.
There’s a certain deja-vu to lead characters in his films, including the male ones. But the kids in his films far outdo the female characters, in sense of stereotyped fashion by which they’re usually rendered. Down south, Mani’s child characters are seen to be nauseating and faux-adults, and it’s the narratives that alleviates the tone.
In case of female lead characters, there are few who fall out of such character traits. But they’re exceptions. But to cut him some slack, he makes it up with other female characters as well. Like say, the mother and sister-in-law of Revathy in Mouna Raagam, Simran and Madhavan’s sister in Kannathil Muthamitaal (the girl is the lead here), Aishwarya’s role as Pushpa, Revathy, Tabu, Gauthami in Iruvar, Saranya in Nayagan, mothers of both Arvind Saamy & Madhubala and her sister in Roja, etc. These are memorable characters, who serve to provide different connotations of Indian women, there’s a predominant bourgeois tone to all. But they are written well, and cast well, for the most part. Sometimes, one relishes these characters more than the lead (who all may suffer from certain character arch and traits, so the speak) itself. In this respect, Priya Mani might just be the actress to look out for, than Aishwarya, in this film. But this particular role looks powerful. Part-Revathy from Mouna Raagam, Part-Arvind Saamy (!) from Roja, Part-Lakshmi from Pallavi Anu Pallavi, Part-BhanuPriya from Thalapathy, and so on. And more. The question is whether Aishwaya could bring out various nuances. But again she’s no Revathy or Tabu or Shobana…
Regardless of this perception down South, I feel Mani should be chartered certain liberties to create his own set of rules, his “world” so to speak, as evident in Raavan. I never trust filmmaker who adhere to “authenticity” and relegate to “realism” just as to make up for their void of creative sensibilities. I believe with more sophistication and repressed realism, and catalog of “lies” as Kiarostami would put, you tend to achieve a heightened state of reality – in themes and realm of the world through artist’s prism.
But why I distrust his Hindi misadventures, is the precise failure to achieve this and lack of lucidity in his choices. At least, IMO..
On the flip-side, is that one expects a certain “mirror” of reality/authenticity in a rigid sense and to an acute degree, to believe in the narrative and characters they invest their time on. But this is a very restrictive understanding of the medium, or at worst, “rustic” criticism in itself.
Quite stupid to say that Aishwarya is director’s actress. Nothing wrong with being a director’s actor/ess. But Saying it is a problem. By that nature of thought, every actor in this world is director’s performer. If Kareena can give such flat and dull performances in 3I and Kurbaan, while Priyanka after all these years can’t pull off What’s Your Rashee, Pyaar Impossible, who is to say that these are good actors then? Let’s not even forget to queen or maha-non performer Katrina Kaif in all her movies. One Raajneeti (even that looks like a dud) is not going to make a her an actress of repute. Even Madhuri Dixit hasn’t delivered in so many films in her prime time. Look at the string of male performers, where Hrithik Roshan blunders so awfully in Kites. That’s not a good performance by any stretch of imagination or Sanjay Dutt after being in industry for decades. Over the top and overacting in age gap at both cases? clearly yes, yes and More!
Absolutely it is true that your favorite actor/actress suffers from the same case if one is to make a silly case of director’s mentality. Let me then say that even directors are failure on so many ends. It all goes hand in hand. That’s the bottom line.
As for coming back to Raavan, Mani has got it absolutely right in his actors and setting and creating a very interesting feel to the nature. I doubted Guru in this sense, but not Raavan; only because this latest film by Ratnam is working as a thriller than anything else. Far removed from what Mani’s supposedly realism cinematic thoughts. Take this for what it’s worth.
As for Abhishek and Aishwarya, they are smashing to say the least. Not something one should be criticizing without any valid points.
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