i will place my bets on this movie being a safe proposition to a hit. one – it has the kjo brand and two mnik trailers will be launched with this movie
Actually Fanaa was like a poor version of Dil se with gender reversal, if we sweep with a broad brush, so Kurbaan looks more like contemporary version of Dil se to me, and “good”.
Giddh: I must confess I do not understand your derision for Mani Rathnam. Granted, one might or might not like a particular director’s films, but the significance of what he has done in and to the Tamil film industry cannot be over-estimated. It would be no exaggeration to say that the craft of filmmaking in Tamil can be divided into pre- and post-Rathnam, whether one is talking about song videos, camerawork, other technical aspects such as lighting, and dialogs with even a modicum of naturalness. Coming to Hindi, despite a very short filmography in Hindi (3 films), he has already left his mark: compared to a Dil Se, all these films “about” terrorism over the last decade seem so tame — only Dil Se had the guts to show a character who had been victimized, and who was a terrorist, and an unredeemed one to the end (aamir is unredeemed at the end of fanaa, but the kajol character ensures the film remains permanently inscribed in safer terrain); nor is the SRK character shown shying away from his attraction to Koirala after finding out that she is a terrorist. And the dialog remains among the most natural one will see in a Hindi film (a decade of supposedly sexy comedies has not been able to match the “Are you a virgin?” dialogue Zinta asks SRK). And let’s not even get started on the song videos: the ones for Chaiyya Chaiyya and Satrangi remain benchmarks for the Hindi film video aesthetic; and can one imagine Dev D’s “Paayaliya” video had the opening shots of the “Ae Ajnabee” radio scene not happened? Dil Se was a flop, no question about it, but it is a film that has left its mark on many hit films who have followed in its wake.
Turning to Yuva: no doubt Rathnam did not invent the multiple narratives idea, but he introduced it to commercial Hindi cinema — one would do well to remember that everytime one encounters a Mumbai Meri Jaan, or a Sankat City, or a Salaam-e-Ishq, or even (to an extent) a Bachna Ae Haseenon.
Finally, one Tamil film that should be considered like a Hindi film in terms of influence on Bollywood, is Nayakan. That film (along with the under-remembered Hathyar by J.P. Dutta and Kabzaa by Mahesh Bhatt) revolutionized the representation of gangsters in Hindi cinema. Everything from Parinda to Company to even Black Friday would scarcely be imaginable absent these three films.
I repeat, one can find Rathnam an overrated director or a maker of horrible films — but his significance to the industry and to other filmmakers is an undeniable fact. One I am reminded of every time I see a video like “Guzaarish” from Ghajini (utterly derivative of Satrangi).
Agree with Q completely here regarding Mani. To all that one can add one more, Mani’s Dil Se is the first film that broke into the UK top 10 list, was an overseas hit and paved the way for Indian cinema to open big overseas. Mani’s song picturizations are sublime.
Q, you may be right in the impact of Mani on technique,xyz and all that. I find him bland and his style very irritating and shallow – just light effects etc. I prefer VB/Bimal Roy kind of handling for sensitive issues and not some old women dancing in sand with lights from behind. I do not want to discuss more on this. Personal choice. Sorry if I sound harsh but he is irrelevant to me even if he may be god to few.
I think when the Shuran Allah promo was released, I had good hopes from the film. In any case, my disappointment stems from the fact that I wasn’t expecting a bad film at all.
gorilla – they didnt launch mnik trailers else this movie would have been a superhit.
btw – all my non-NG friends(about a couple or so ) who have seen this movie have given high marks to it. So this is a definite watch for me. and masand ka pasand tho apna pasand hai – kurbaan (aur shayad kjo )
The song Shukran allah was good to hear but having it as the best song in the movie was simply not sufficient. The song lacked entertainment value. Compare this with Fanaah’s song and you will know what i am saying.
Or for that matter compare this with the haunting and soulful backgroung score of MNIK and you will know.
Considering the theme, i always got the feel that somewhere Kurbaan is lacking that one entertainment feel that is a must in movies of these genre. Fanaah has the whole shairy + superhit peppy songs, New York had the feel good young cast, while Kurbaan had all the -ve side effects of Mani Rathnam making the movie sound more like spiritual rather than contextual or entertaining. In genres like this you also need to have a character that connects. Kurbaan lacked that as well. I have not seen but will catch up on TV.
Achilles
The only time I "lost it" is when you made those false allegations("Just because Rajesh is Hrithik’s uncle............to like the ...
-manoj16_391
rks
"Today one song has been released..think when the movie is released, you will not sleep for days"
I am reminded ...
-manoj16_391
Agree with the above estimations (considering the movie works).
But Kudos to those Reliance guys who talked about expected 175-200 crores ...
-Achilles
Easy Recovery Plan,
India = 125 cr, 65 cr Share.(as its a Class and Mass movie and Hrithik works well everywhere)
Overseas ...
-Doga
Kites should open at 35 cr weekend easy, after that if the movie is well liked, should do 120-125 cr ...
-Doga
The earlier reports talk about 90-100 cr range ... recent update from Big is 25 M USD (approx 115 cr) ...
-Achilles
here are earlier reports
Reliance Big Pictures acquires distribution rights of biggest blockbusters
BIG Pictures to distribute Hrithik Roshan starrer Kites
-rks
Here is official confirmation from Big Reliance itself:
The film is a high budget movie and has world rights valued at ...
-Achilles
Manoj - dont loose it so easily - wait for the real trade guyz to talk about its economics. Nahata ...
-Achilles
Those who understood meaning of "tumhe pyaar kab tak na karein bhala" will get the meaning of my last comment ...
-Raju Guide
Till this song is not bad to hear it is very good indeed. Until the movie has very less occupancy ...
-Raju Guide
Manoj - Today one song has been released..think when the movie is released, you will not sleep for days :)
-rks
Also I am the biggest fan of Nadeem-Shravan's music and I like his music more than some of ARR's songs!
-manoj16_391
Achilles
Me liking the music is more because I am a RR admirer since years.I even loved Koyla's music! and not ...
-manoj16_391
i m having great doubts on Kites being the late/last masterpiece from takla chacha!
-Achilles
tango - "So what? It is from the father son-duo? None of them are going to take the other to ...
-rks
Plagiarism aside - as every famous music director has copied some song at some time
Rajesh Roshan has given some great ...
-sputnik
Art is a subjective thing for sure - but someone claiming a mediocre piece of art (music in this case) ...
-Achilles
From music to cricket- I remember telling Rikky that on consistency Pathan junior is a much better batsmen ...
-Tango
End of the day - not even one song from Rajesh Roshan has made any lasting impression on me ... ...
-Achilles
I only know that all three of us are well wishers of Hrithik and discussing the pros ...
-Tango
BO is a different matter.Music is a personal and subjective thing.There is no such thing like "good" and "bad".
When you ...
-manoj16_391
Well tango, this discussion again reminds me of the box-office exchange we had some days back ... with time old ...
-Achilles
Well, if you ask me, both MKDH & also Yaadein had good music, irrespective of the films outcome ...
-Tango
2003-04 = Anu malik - The popular composer - MPKDH - Disaster!
Got it?
akshay shah 2 October 2009
02:23:10 am
cant see it?
ritz 2 October 2009
03:23:39 am
Looks like copy of Fanaa.
sayrahul 2 October 2009
06:51:57 am
agree with you Ritz.. “FANAA” in “NEWYORK”
Tango 2 October 2009
08:08:51 am
A very ordinary and cliched promo, especially after a movie like New York.
Som 2 October 2009
10:18:36 am
Nothing special here..
Doga 2 October 2009
06:24:41 pm
Kurbaan Promo itself is boring, had a hard time completing it.
This one is a sure flop from the word go.
Doga 2 October 2009
06:28:19 pm
Seems like a mix of New York and Fanna.
Could have done something better.
Caulfield 2 October 2009
08:37:47 pm
Agreed with Doga here – The promo itself is boring!!!!
Angels and Belds 2 October 2009
08:53:48 pm
i will place my bets on this movie being a safe proposition to a hit. one – it has the kjo brand and two mnik trailers will be launched with this movie
Doga 2 October 2009
10:45:49 pm
LoL, Beld sir.
Well MNIK point does have some weightage, but will it be enough to take movie to success, its too much a ask, lol.
Many srk fans will definitely flock to see the MNIK promo, wont deny that though. Thats one hot proposition right there.
RAJ 2 October 2009
10:51:18 pm
Qurban is a sure shot hit for saif and KJO…Kjo knows his raget audience and also knows how to reach out to them…
WUS will be a hit so as Qurbaan…
pardesi 5 October 2009
09:48:49 am
Kurbaan promo looks good to me, what is like Fanaa here? 60s style getting eyesight back to blind girl?
Giddh 5 October 2009
09:57:48 am
“Kurbaan promo looks good to me, what is like Fanaa here? ”
What is like Fanaa here ? – it is “Good”.
Lol
pardesi 5 October 2009
10:20:38 am
Actually Fanaa was like a poor version of Dil se with gender reversal, if we sweep with a broad brush, so Kurbaan looks more like contemporary version of Dil se to me, and “good”.
Giddh 5 October 2009
10:42:43 am
Dil Se? Oh that flop film from 90’s ? I don’t know..maybe.
pardesi 5 October 2009
10:54:38 am
Yes, from that poor director Mani Ratnam – his reputation will only rise once he discovers the great perfectionist Aamir
Giddh 5 October 2009
11:26:59 am
Pardesi – keep it up, your gravator is adverisement for “3i”
Qalandar 5 October 2009
01:17:53 pm
Giddh: I must confess I do not understand your derision for Mani Rathnam. Granted, one might or might not like a particular director’s films, but the significance of what he has done in and to the Tamil film industry cannot be over-estimated. It would be no exaggeration to say that the craft of filmmaking in Tamil can be divided into pre- and post-Rathnam, whether one is talking about song videos, camerawork, other technical aspects such as lighting, and dialogs with even a modicum of naturalness. Coming to Hindi, despite a very short filmography in Hindi (3 films), he has already left his mark: compared to a Dil Se, all these films “about” terrorism over the last decade seem so tame — only Dil Se had the guts to show a character who had been victimized, and who was a terrorist, and an unredeemed one to the end (aamir is unredeemed at the end of fanaa, but the kajol character ensures the film remains permanently inscribed in safer terrain); nor is the SRK character shown shying away from his attraction to Koirala after finding out that she is a terrorist. And the dialog remains among the most natural one will see in a Hindi film (a decade of supposedly sexy comedies has not been able to match the “Are you a virgin?” dialogue Zinta asks SRK). And let’s not even get started on the song videos: the ones for Chaiyya Chaiyya and Satrangi remain benchmarks for the Hindi film video aesthetic; and can one imagine Dev D’s “Paayaliya” video had the opening shots of the “Ae Ajnabee” radio scene not happened? Dil Se was a flop, no question about it, but it is a film that has left its mark on many hit films who have followed in its wake.
Turning to Yuva: no doubt Rathnam did not invent the multiple narratives idea, but he introduced it to commercial Hindi cinema — one would do well to remember that everytime one encounters a Mumbai Meri Jaan, or a Sankat City, or a Salaam-e-Ishq, or even (to an extent) a Bachna Ae Haseenon.
Finally, one Tamil film that should be considered like a Hindi film in terms of influence on Bollywood, is Nayakan. That film (along with the under-remembered Hathyar by J.P. Dutta and Kabzaa by Mahesh Bhatt) revolutionized the representation of gangsters in Hindi cinema. Everything from Parinda to Company to even Black Friday would scarcely be imaginable absent these three films.
I repeat, one can find Rathnam an overrated director or a maker of horrible films — but his significance to the industry and to other filmmakers is an undeniable fact. One I am reminded of every time I see a video like “Guzaarish” from Ghajini (utterly derivative of Satrangi).
pardesi 5 October 2009
07:14:03 pm
Agree with Q completely here regarding Mani. To all that one can add one more, Mani’s Dil Se is the first film that broke into the UK top 10 list, was an overseas hit and paved the way for Indian cinema to open big overseas. Mani’s song picturizations are sublime.
Giddh 6 October 2009
02:33:57 am
Q, you may be right in the impact of Mani on technique,xyz and all that. I find him bland and his style very irritating and shallow – just light effects etc. I prefer VB/Bimal Roy kind of handling for sensitive issues and not some old women dancing in sand with lights from behind. I do not want to discuss more on this. Personal choice. Sorry if I sound harsh but he is irrelevant to me even if he may be god to few.
Gorilla 1 December 2009
01:12:28 am
NG’ers were so ‘right’ except for dear Beld.
sandy 1 December 2009
01:19:00 am
I think when the Shuran Allah promo was released, I had good hopes from the film. In any case, my disappointment stems from the fact that I wasn’t expecting a bad film at all.
sandy 1 December 2009
01:24:56 am
The only thing sure shot about KJo is music. He has a terrific ear for melodious, hit numbers.
Angels and Belds 1 December 2009
01:58:53 am
gorilla – they didnt launch mnik trailers else this movie would have been a superhit.
btw – all my non-NG friends(about a couple or so
) who have seen this movie have given high marks to it. So this is a definite watch for me. and masand ka pasand tho apna pasand hai – kurbaan (aur shayad kjo
)
Gorilla 1 December 2009
03:46:43 am
Sandy/Beld
The song Shukran allah was good to hear but having it as the best song in the movie was simply not sufficient. The song lacked entertainment value. Compare this with Fanaah’s song and you will know what i am saying.
Or for that matter compare this with the haunting and soulful backgroung score of MNIK and you will know.
Considering the theme, i always got the feel that somewhere Kurbaan is lacking that one entertainment feel that is a must in movies of these genre. Fanaah has the whole shairy + superhit peppy songs, New York had the feel good young cast, while Kurbaan had all the -ve side effects of Mani Rathnam making the movie sound more like spiritual rather than contextual or entertaining. In genres like this you also need to have a character that connects. Kurbaan lacked that as well. I have not seen but will catch up on TV.