Wanted is a craze across many centres in the country. The first week business of Wanted in Bihar will be around 1.20 crore nett which will be a new circuit record beating the 1.12 crore nett (8days) of Ghajini. In other small circuits like Assam and Orissa it may also set new highs. In Orissa the film is a rage with collections nearly three times higher than regular big films apart from Ghajini. Many B+C centres in CP Berar, Ci, Rajasthan and Nizam are also showing higher collections than Ghajini.
The craze of the film can be put into perspective with the collections below. Normally a hit film shows 50% of its Friday collections on Wednesday but Wanted is showing similar or even better figures at many centres outside the metroes.
Lucknow
Friday – 6.38 lakhs
Wednesday – 7.66 lakhs
Varanasi
Friday – 2.63 lakhs
Wednesday – 3.07 lakhs
Indore
Friday – 7.55 lakhs
Wednesday – 6.20 lakhs
Lucknow and Varanasi are A grade centres of UP while Indore is an A grade centre of CI. The B and C centres of UP, Bihar, CP Berar, CI, Rajasthan, Nizam, Assam and Orissa are just phenomenal to put it mildly.
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Doga 24 September 2009
05:23:02 am
So now Wanted breaking 8 day records of Ghajini.
Well Bihar, CP Berar, Nizam, Rajasthan and CI are probably going to be highest ever for any movie. That is All time Blockbuster.
Anyways , all else are Home circuits for Salman, usually all his movies open to 80%+ there atleast for a day.(Until they find out the content).
Doga 24 September 2009
05:24:30 am
“In Orissa the film is a rage with collections nearly three times higher than regular big films”
Som dont miss this craze during the festive season(Dushehraa),lol.
sv 24 September 2009
06:40:49 am
Wanted deconstructs the success of ghajini.It could have done more than ghajini if made well.
rudresh 24 September 2009
07:22:48 am
i enjoyed wanted more than I enjoyed Ghajini and as I said earlier on tuesday 11 Pm show has about 70% audience , yesterday went to see DBh only 12 guys were there but wanted show seems like had quite an audience yesterday also
Qalandar 24 September 2009
07:54:07 am
SV: don’t see the deconstruction. Both Ghajini and WANTED are remakes of superhit Southern films (WANTED is a remake of an even more successful film), and there’s no question of WANTED being poorly made since essentially this same film did very well in both Tamil and Telugu, and clearly the formula worked for both Ghajini and Wanted in Hindi too. As far as we can tell at present, both Ghajini and WANTED did very well in single screens in week 1, and Ghajini seems to have done better than WANTED in multiplexes (I don’t believe WANTED has done nothing from multiplexes; it might have started slow, but clearly seems to have picked up if Bombay is any indication). Stated differently, I do not believe that a film can make 35+ crores in week 1 with very little multiplex participation; nor do I believe a film can make 65 crores in week 1 with very little single screen participation.
Zen 24 September 2009
08:13:59 am
Wanted deconstructs all the arguments of those who were writing off Salman. Aamir laboured on a six pack, went all out on massive promotion, plus Asin and A.R Rehmaan and the result was the record breaking opening.
In comparison, Wanted had average music from Sajid Wajid, Ayesha Takia and atypical efortless Salman display and promotion.
Imagine the results if Salman turned perfectionist
Qalandar 24 September 2009
08:20:12 am
Zen: I think everyone will agree that Sallu put more effort into WANTED’s promotion than he ever does. Granted that was way less than Ghajini’s promotion, but Boney probably didn’t have that budget to work with either.
But the difference between Ghajini and WANTED’s week 1 gross is huge, assuming these media reports are accurate (35-38 crores versus 8-day total of 65 crores). The one thing for sure is that WANTED has sold a hell of a lot more tickets than many other films that have made 35-40 crores, and that is the better comparison. I and others have been saying for years that B’wood’s ignoring of single screens makes little commercial sense, even leaving aside other issues, and I am happy to see papers like Mid-Day now come around (two relevant discussions on this at satyamshot: http://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/wanted-and-single-screens/ & http://satyamshot.wordpress.co.....ndi-2009/)
PS– not sure I follow the Asin reference? Even Ayesha Takia was better known in B’wood than Asin was prior to Ghajini’s release (of course, Asin had a lot more to do in Ghajini than Takia did in WANTED); I wish Boney had tried to get Ileana from Pokiri for this film, that would have rocked).
Doga 24 September 2009
08:20:41 am
Good comments, Doga likes it.
Well i wont go as far as to compare Salman to SRK/Aamir.
I am just happy he got a good success.
Lets see whats in store in the future.
Qalandar 24 September 2009
08:32:29 am
Doga: in a sense this is like two successes: One is the success of the film, which is always welcome for any actor. Second is the fact that this is being lionized by the media — which is something I am even more pleased about, to the extent that it is leading to newfound respect for masala movies, the relevance and potential of single-screens, etc. If someone had told me 15 years ago that the two pinju Khans would be leading a masala mini-revival with two biggies in less than a 12-month period, I would never have believed it!
Zen 24 September 2009
08:47:17 am
Agree on all counts Q. Just trying to have some fun with some zen hypothesis. though I still believe that had Wanted been scored by Rahmaan and like you said Ileana in place of Ayesha…..:)
Salmaan can be compared to SRK/Aamir purely on box office terms. Don’t forget that SRK is coming off a southern remake in Billu. I am not complaing about Billu anyway as we get to see SRK rocking to Pritam’s hip music
Qalandar 24 September 2009
08:55:55 am
This reminds me: is this Salman’s 20th anniversary (i.e. of his first release)? I know Maine Pyar Kiya is from 1989, but was Biwi Ho To Aisi from the same year, or was that 1988? In any event, it is the 20th anniversary of his first solo release.
1989: kya saal tha: gave the world Sachin Tendulkar, Waqar Younis, Main Ne Pyar Kiya, and the fall of the Berlin Wall. Barring the last, all significant events
Zen: first Ghajini and then Billu, bhaiyya aap ko chaabi dena aata hai LOL
sv 24 September 2009
09:36:06 am
Q,I did’t say wanted is a bigger hit than ghajini.Wanted deconstructs the notion that ghajini is a unique hit in that genre and no one exept aamir can make it work.Aamir fans argued that multiplexes will never watch masala films and aamir alone was responsible for its hit.That has been proved false with wanted.Wanted is a hit in multiplexes but not as big a hit as ghajini.But in single screens it is as big a hit as ghajini.
Wanted is a badly made film.That is it is a remake of the bad tamil version.Wanted has been changed regressively for the audiences there.And the same thing has been copied in hindi.it has not been dapted properly in hindi.Prabhudeva’s direction is also bad.The screenplay is also lacking in pace and dull.The climax is good though.
and vinod khanna is wasted in wnated.It doens;t suit him to do these minor roles.
A diluted version is this big hit.If wanted is well made with a good screenplay with good pace,it would have made as much as ghajini.
And that also means that Akshay has to give a bugger hit to maintain his No1 position.Aamir and salman have big action hits.
He is the original action hero and he will have to outperfrom them.If blue grosses around 115 crores it will establish him as the No1 from 2007.If he misses this chance it will be difficult for him to be No1.
Tango 24 September 2009
11:39:40 am
IBOF starts its joke on Wanted – 50 crore plus film.
http://www.ibosnetwork.com/newsmanager/templates/template1.aspx?a=21844&z=9
“Nonetheless, in order for the delayed 50+ crore action sfx film to break even, less recovery from satellite/music rights, it needs theatrical share of about 40 crores (around 70 crores net) to break even. ”
The other jokes on IBOF being Love Aaj Kal earning less that Kambakkht Ishq and Kaminey at 50 crore
http://www.ibosnetwork.com/asp/curyeartotals.asp
2. Kambakkht Ishq Hindi Jul 3 2009 Rs. 55,87,43,751 –
3. Love Aaj Kal Hindi Jul 31 2009 Rs. 54,07,99,753 –
4. Kaminey Hindi Aug 14 2009 Rs. 50,21,33,203
Qalandar 24 September 2009
12:13:47 pm
SV: I never said you said it was a bigger hit, I too was only addressing the “deconstructed” aspect of it. I think the point was that Aamir’s presence ensured Ghajini got so many eyeballs in multiplexes despite being the kind of film it was. WANTED in fact confirms that, doesn’t it, since no-one is claiming it has had the kind of multiplex performance in week 1 that Ghajini has had? I don’t think there can be any doubt that Aamir’s or SRK’s general acceptability in the multiplex crowd is greater than Salman’s, even leaving aside the genre of the film? [Some of this might be due to poor film selection, I do not quarrel with that; i.e. I am not saying there is anything essential or necessary about it, but that's where I feel things stand at present, and WANTED seems to confirm it. Of course, no perception is set in stone, and if films like London Dreams and Mr. and Mrs. Khanna click, then maybe it could change.] In fact, the media reports have claimed that WANTED did not have that good a start in the multiplexes and then picked up — in contrast to Ghajini, which opened well right off the bat. So I don’t see where the deconstruction is.
To the extent anyone claims — with respect to any actor — that a film’s success is all about the actor, with no credit due to any other factor, such as script, songs, director, actress — then I don’t have much patience for that view anyway. It is manifestly false. An actor does not operate in a bubble.
Zen: pehle Ghajini, phir Billu; lagta hai aap chaabi dene par tulay hue hain…
Qalandar 24 September 2009
12:17:13 pm
Re: “The first week business of Wanted in Bihar will be around 1.20 crore nett which will be a new circuit record beating the 1.12 crore nett (8days) of Ghajini.”
This is astounding, and great to see. The figures from Lucknow and Varansi, while hardly large in absolute terms (due to cheap ticket prices, of course, presumably not low sales of tickets), underscore just what kind of impact WANTED is having.
Komal Nahata had said this film would find it difficult to recover money (http://www.thefilmstreetjourna.....of-wanted/), not to mention the suggestion that Salman’s support base was somehow particularly Muslim — I hope he prints a retraction if the film’s figures do hold up. I ain’t holding my breath.
Tango 24 September 2009
12:28:43 pm
This once again confirms that Komal is unbiased and not of SRK-Salman paylist (as master of fiction used to say), and more importantly, he gives his predictions after watching the movie first day, based on his intuitions.
Qalandar 24 September 2009
12:28:49 pm
More condescension from Nahata: “Of course, these deficiencies in Ahmed’s script will not be objected to by the masses and hardcore fans of Salman Khan, who would not be bothered about the logic. For such audience, the overdose of violence and Salman’s heroic deeds would be more than enough. However, the discerning and thinking audience would find these shortcomings in the script too much to digest.”
The definition of the “discerning and thinking audience” according to Nahata is presumably any audience that includes him.
Tango 24 September 2009
12:30:04 pm
Hardly anything to do with Nahta’s honesty.
Qalandar 24 September 2009
12:31:27 pm
Tango: I am not sure what you are referring to? I am not saying Komal Nahata is dishonest. I am saying he is an idiot and a moron, and is displaying marked class-bias.
PS, it’s not just Nahata’s first-day view, he continues to be pretty negative on the film. See: http://www.business-standard.c.....un/370862/
Tango 24 September 2009
12:33:38 pm
Thanks for saying “I am not saying Komal Nahata is dishonest.”
As far as “I am saying he is an idiot and a moron, and is displaying marked class-bias.”
You are entitled to your views and I feel the same about Rangan.
Qalandar 24 September 2009
12:37:35 pm
Re: “You are entitled to your views and I feel the same about Rangan.”
Not sure what the relevance of Rangan is, but of course everyone is entitled to his/her view. Personally, although Rangan is my favorite among the professional reviewers, it doesn’t matter to me if others don’t care for his work.
Tango 24 September 2009
12:40:41 pm
The relevance is that Rangan is your fav, just like Komal is mine, and we both have our diff. viewpoints (opposing) on them, and entitled the it. After all that is what democracy is all about mate !
Doga 24 September 2009
01:13:21 pm
I have read Nahata’s review and again his commentary on Saturday about wanted. He has gone totally wrong here.
Dont know why he keeps saying movies will flop.(Irrespective of Wanted).
Except for Ghajini and Rab ne , last time i saw him saying a movie will be hit was Hello.
I am also having this huge aversion to comments who make a movie hit or flop on the review or after 2 days, i mean atleast professionals should not do it.
Anna 24 September 2009
07:44:59 pm
Komal was pro wanted from the day it was launched till 8th September 2009
On 8th September Salman gave an exclusive interview to Taran Adarsh on Wanted
Anna 24 September 2009
07:47:25 pm
One good thing about Komal is, unlike Taran, he corrects himself whenever he realises he is wrong.
Doga 24 September 2009
08:33:49 pm
Haha Anna, what do you mean.
Taran vs Komal.
Tango 24 September 2009
08:46:32 pm
Anna ” Komal was pro wanted from the day it was launched till 8th September 2009
On 8th September Salman gave an exclusive interview to Taran Adarsh on Wanted”
Anna bhai you are wrong on many counts, because it was from the day Boney took him to see Pkkiri down south, that he talked highly of Wanted.
And also, the latest issue of Film Information has one of the most detailed and best interview of Salman.
The thing is, unlike Taran who gets sold out to a special preview, Komal says what he feels is correct.
But you are right on one count, if he goes wrong he CORRECCTS himself unlike Taran.
Tango 24 September 2009
08:50:52 pm
Doga, Komal always gives a prediction of how he feels the film will go because his review appears in a trade magazine.
Doga 24 September 2009
09:33:11 pm
Thank you Tango Bhai.
Doga 24 September 2009
09:46:23 pm
At Paras cinema in Jaipur, the police requested the theatre management to sell 200 tickets less in order to control the audience
The film has been released in all the 3 theatres in Kanpur and all have police protection
Ankur cinema in Govandi had to paint a ‘Housefull’ board because they didn’t have one. In fact, they did not need one for many years.
Thats some real craze right there.
Qalandar 24 September 2009
10:02:25 pm
Doga: reminds me of that line in Luck By Chance, when Rishi and Sanjay Kapoor get excited when they hear that someone got knifed in a cinema queue
rudresh 24 September 2009
10:38:19 pm
Villians must be happy to see the success as this will renew their career in bollywood we did not have a superstar villian since Amrish Puri
Tango 24 September 2009
11:34:10 pm
I’m highly impressed by Prakash Raaj.
I think Joginder’s review is the most apt. It may not appeal to those who like their reviews with GRE words as condiments (though basically saying nothing relevant), lots of english phrases or devoting paras and paras to one scene (eg. on why the flower was white and what it symbolises).
Tango 24 September 2009
11:35:14 pm
Thanks Doga.
ritz 25 September 2009
12:02:24 am
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/.....;nCat=news
BOI is plain stupid. Why are they adding distributor share and music/home video rights (which I believe go directly in producer’s pocket?!? ) And they are comparing this with budget of a film with Publicity costs? LOL.
utkal 25 September 2009
12:50:59 am
“Wanted has a budget of 35 crore and with print and publicity costs of 7-8 crore it’s total investment goes to around 42-43 crore. Indian theatrical business should finish in the 35-40 crore range, Overseas should give around 4 crore and another 17-20 crore can be expected from Satellite, Music and Home Video which would mean revenue in the 56-64 crore range.
Dil Bole Hadippa has a budget of 18 crore with print publicity costs of 6-7 crore making its total investment around 24-25 crore. Indian theatrical business looks likely to be 14-16 crore, Overseas will be around 5 crore and Satellite, Music and Home Video should add another 8-10 crore giving Dil Bole Hadippa revenue in the range of 27-31 crore.”
On an investment of 35 crores Wanted delivers a revenue of 56-64 crores.
ON an investment of 18 crores DBH delivers a revenue of 27-64 crores.
The ratio is almost the same. So why is one a superhit and the other average? It’s plain non-sense. Aditya Chopra is smarter than he is given credit for.
Doga 25 September 2009
05:27:12 am
Utkal, lol.
Ghajini did around 105-110 cr revenue from 90 cr investment.
Om Shanti om did 85-90 cr from 75 cr investment, why were they called All time blockbuster and Blockbuster, respectively.
And its 27-31 cr, not 27-64 cr.
YRF model is ideal, they dont sell movies, so recovery is easy.
But yeah, wanted too was lucky that it wasnt sold lump sum.
Old days are gone, when verdicts were handed out the right way.(i mean based on the ratio of money recovered based on distributiion rights).
I think since Gadar there hasnt been a real market blockbuster except may be Vivah, Rab ne was superhit perhaps. Rest all you can either call fake verdicts or may be coming of age verdicts (compared to earlier when theatrical share indian+overseaas used to cover around 80% revenue, now its down to 50%).
So yes all these movies can be called average+ based on distribution price and budget.
DBH will be given hard treatment as Indian theatrical has been a poor one.
ritz 25 September 2009
06:00:25 am
“Ghajini did around 105-110 cr revenue from 90 cr investment.”
Doga, you are adding home/video rights as “investment” for Ghajini and counting the same as “revenue” for Wanted?
sayrahul 25 September 2009
06:10:23 am
I believe … Movie status = (PR)^2*(Magnitude of total gross)*(ratio of cost)^.5*(word of mouth)^2
sv 25 September 2009
06:20:36 am
Ghajini was sold at 41 crores in India I think.OSO made only 77 crores.
Tango 25 September 2009
10:37:35 am
Doga, Wanted is doing extremely well in India and chances are that it’ll continue to, just like Ghajini.
But I am happy about one thing. It is obvious that Salman fans are very happy, and even those who are not, are not trying to deconstruct its success, by way of stupid logics and allegations of trade/media being sold out, via long posts (applauded by moronic followers) and so that is the new NG for you.
Doga 25 September 2009
01:09:25 pm
Tango Bhai, i am surely every happy about wanted success, but if salman can carry this into other future movies, that needs to be seen.
Yeah i know there are still few people who are not ready to accept Wanted success, but dont give a damn about those, they are still trying to add 1 cr and subract 0.5 cr, lol.
If a movie’s success is like Ghajini,Rab ne or Wanted, you dont need to worry about these chindi numbers, cut 5 cr and still they are big hits.
utkal 25 September 2009
11:58:52 pm
Doga, “Wanted has a budget of 35 crore and with print and publicity costs of 7-8 crore it’s total investment goes to around 42-43 crore.” By the same criteria the investment for Ghajini is maybe 45 crores and not 90 crores. Get your math right!
Doga 26 September 2009
01:06:19 am
Utkal your addition is right but i guess you missed a lot that has happened in the last couple of years in Bollywood since the incoming of Corporates.
Ghajini was sold to Indian Films for 90 cr and Similarly Om Shanti Om to Eros for 75 cr irrespective of budget etc.
Now there are 10 different ways to decide if a movie is blockbuster, or average , its upto you.
Distribution Price of Ghajini in India alone was 40 cr.
It did all time best 60 cr Share.(Theoritically Semihit as it did 150%).
The above are facts and now if you want to discount what amount the movies were bought for then its your own way of looking at it.
For example Boney could have sold wanted for 50 cr(which he didnt) and then the party must have to recover for itself.
So what is the verdict of the producer?
What of the buyer or invester (corporate)?
What of the Distribueter?
What of the Exhibitor?
If you dig into the Archives of NG , you will find answers to most of these.
ritz 26 September 2009
01:46:56 am
My dear Doga – my simple question is why the Producer’s Verdict /money (sattelite video rights) is being added to Distributor Verdict/money in case of Wanted and DBH.
Keep all verdicts separate as you said. Don’t mix it.
By Exhibitor and Producer verdict Ghajini is ATBB. And hit for Distributors.
And BOI gives such stupid article a heading like “The Economics of..” LOL
utkal 26 September 2009
04:39:25 am
Doga, Now there are 10 different ways to decide if a movie is blockbuster, or average , its upto you.True.As far as choosing from among the ten mode, the only one that reflects a films abilityNow there are 10 different ways to decide if a movie is blockbuster, or average , its upto you. to turn an investment into revenues, is the final revenue compared to original inputs. The intermediate streams are details.
And even if you dont agree, if you are comparing two films, the only allowable option is to use the same *** criteria for both, right? If it is production plus publicity costs it has to be same for both, right?
Doga 26 September 2009
07:32:44 am
Well as i said Utkal if you want to skip the part where a corporate buys the movie then yes you are right.(Its funny as when you are talking of revenues you want to add all the channels but when talking of investment you want to skip for how much a movie was sold for).
Kites,MNIK,3 Idiots may all have budgets less than 50 cr but arent they being called 100 cr movies(as thats their real price tag).
People are already talking how much they need to do in india and overseas to break even.
Anyways, i have talked too much on this.
And yeah Dil bole Hadippa is also a blockbuster(if wanted is then why not). Rani is back, cheers. You are right.
Doga 26 September 2009
08:09:09 am
Yes Ritz, Ghajini is a huge blockbuster for me, why, as you can see after banging my head on to this bollywood business situation i have come up with my own verdict system.
Doing things the traditional way is way too complex now:
1) Most of the times it hard to know the real budget, no one knows the budget of Ghajini yet.
2) Sometimes movies like SIK do superhit business but still some distributers made losses due to ridiculous selling price.
So now i only look at:
1) Nett and more importantly Distributer Share.
2) The Genre.
3) How does it compare to similar genre movies of other bigger stars.
4) At the year end where does the movie stand compared to other big movies.
Ghajini Passes with flying colours in the above and how.Its a monumental hit i will say.
Aside: All the above examples i was giving about Ghajini/OSO were only for sample purposes(by no means did i want to bring down the verdicts etc, lol, just to show how things can get complex).
sv 26 September 2009
08:20:28 am
Doga,you are comparing the revenue if a film which is sold to the film which is not sold.Wanted is not sold so its revenue will be higher.Wanted has a budget of 35 crores,ghajini had a budget of 45 crores.when we compare budgets there won’t be much of a difference between wanted and ghajini.
Doga 26 September 2009
08:46:38 am
Well SV , as i said i have stopped looking at budget/investment as such, just the general slotting of the movie compared to other movies(you can see and sense how big a movie is and how much money is spent etc).
I will put Wanted/Ghajini/Rab Ne in the same bracket.
So if Ghajini is ATBB at 60 cr share and Rab Ne is Blockbuster at 41-42 cr share, then Wanted will be superhit/blockbuster at 35-40 cr share.
utkal 26 September 2009
09:24:03 pm
Yeah, Doga, you still haven’t replied why is the money made by distributors is money and money made by producers and exhibitors not money.
The fact is no one in the industry believes in the this didtributors share bullshit. By this criteria , Ghajini sold at 90 crores mkaes 115 crores, so it’s average, right? Go check who in th eindustry belives that Ghajini is average.
On the other hand, the fact is produced at 45 crores, it sold domestic tickets of 115 crore, and other revenues of say 80 crores ( or whatever the figure is). So a total revenue of 165 crores was generated. Ot of that the prodeucers got 45 crores, the distributors 60 crores and exhbitors an amount, and so on. So it made a lot of money fora lot of people. That’s why it’s perceived as a huge hit. I am sure everyone in the industry believe that rather than the distributor’s share crap.
And I am surprised you dont recoginise the diffrence between a ilm’s making cot and what the corprates pay to acquire . What the corporations pay to acquire afilm is not it’s cost, it’s seling price, it’s what it’s sold for, so it’s seling price. Next you will say what the ticket buyers pay to buy the tickets should be considered an investment! Dear Doga, these are all earnings fora film, not investments. Wahta ticket buyer pays is an investment for him or her, invested for getting some entetrtainment. What a corporatio pays is an investment for the company meant to turn in profits. But for the film, all these are eanins. The investment for it is the money it SPENDS to make the film.
Doga 26 September 2009
11:37:47 pm
Who is denying Ghajini Monumental Success.(ATBB)
Ok Wanted is also average like DBH. Heck make that flop.
But as you said what industry,media says that will sell and that will be believed and for them Wanted is success.
Gorilla 27 September 2009
12:30:29 am
‘But as you said what industry,media says that will sell and that will be believed and for them Wanted is success.’
Doga, Wanted is being perceived as a blockbuster across India and its popularity is at par with Ghajini and SIK.
utkal 27 September 2009
01:41:57 am
Gorila, Ghajini and SIK? which industry opinion has put them in the same bracket? the industry perception, Ghajini is ina different bracket altogether, comparable only with Gadar or HAHK.It has been a success in every region including oveerseas, across all kinds of theaters, multiplexes, single screns have opened great, held on for weeks. Wanted is appearing good because of a spate of films that Salman had before this.