Kambakkht Ishq – The BIGGEST SCAM in the history of Bollywood Box-Office!

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We (@NG) have been following the KI box-office with great amount of scrutiny since it released on 3rd July. There were lot of unanswered questions raised throughout this period. There has been an dedicated thread too : LINK

When Taran’s reported centers came out, he had mixed gross and Net collections which made it difficult to make a good estimation as some key centers were missing. To that extent, Taran had been successful in his campaign.

Now with Film Information data available, a more detailed analysis with the reported centers of New York and Race has been possible, which shows the KI week 1 is around 33 cr. The opening week has posted good numbers, but is nothing extra-ordinary as per the PR claims. The opening week is not in the range of biggest openers till date like Ghajini, SIK, RNBDJ. It is in fact less than OSO, Welcome, Dhoom 2 and Race. Even Golmaal Returns had better prolonged first week.

LINK

What does it indicate?

It indicates that some of our questions were bang on target!

Producers claimed a 60 cr worldwide gross for the weekend and 100 cr worldwide gross for week 1. Weekend Net figures of 25 cr was fed to media and its PR/publicity machinery for KI (IndiaFM and Taran Adarsh included along with BOI and other sites).

Whereas a lot of logic/reasoning indicated that KI weekend Net in India was likely to be around 20 cr. Even Eros had claimed a 32cr Gross (20 cr Net) over the weekend in India in its first press release: Link. But later as Producers and Akshay Kumar throwed numbers and a publicity gimmick of a party, Eros too came up with a 100 cr imagination.

So what happened here? Did KI do 25 cr in the weekend?

If so then the movie had crashed from then on to reach 33 cr in week 1. If that is indeed true then the movie should see 70-80% drop in week 2.

The other possibility is that the movie did just 20 cr over the weekend and then fell by 50% or so in the 4 weekdays to add another 12 cr. If so then the movie has not crashed and the second week should not see anything more than 60-70% drop in collections.

Whatever happened in week 1, one thing is beyond doubt – Producer Nadiadwala, Akshay Kumar and Eros has reached the pinnacle of shameful dishonesty and tried to pull off the Biggest Scam in the history of Bollywood box-office!

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Gorilla 14 July 2009
11:28:36 am

We now need to look into the books and claims of others Hits as well. IMO, the results are still inconclusive unless we get the full report. Plus, there is some element of interest in every claim whether it is producer’s, Taran’s, BOI or for that matter this report. Who has the certificate of proof?

Gorilla 14 July 2009
11:35:10 am

Moreover, the opening over the weekend was extraordinary and this is an open fact. One need to be in India and those who have seen KI over the weekend are witness to full houses. Even weekdays saw 70%+ full theaters. So it is unlikely to believe in low figures. It is also difficult to believe the producer’s figures.
I do not have any formula to support my claim but based on open eyes and a simple logic, i can safely say that the opening(week1) was far bigger than NY and a figure anywhere between 35-40 Cr is plausible if 90%+ opening for other films (Ghajini, SIK) of similar release dimension were 8-10 Cr/day over weekend.

ACHILLES 14 July 2009
11:45:57 am

When the same figures of reported centers told the story for any other movie, why will it suddenly lie for KI?

All other movies were judged from their reported centers in my blog, their numbers could withstand their business and claims. And they were conclusive enough as it is now.

Anyways, I am not interested in any fan’s perception but just facts and figures.

Gorilla 14 July 2009
11:50:18 am

I am questioning the figures. And there are no facts so far here.

‘When the same figures of reported centers told the story for any other movie, why will it suddenly lie for KI? ‘

My question is exactly this and i do not expect to get an answer from you.

Rocky 14 July 2009
11:58:17 am

This is like the JA debate revisited, except the tables have turned.
Half Time ke baad side change ho jatee hai na !!
LOL !!! ‘
PS- I don’t know and don’t care anything about Box Office , but the fact is Akhshay is here to stay and is a giving SRK and the like run for their money. DEAL and LIVE with it !!!

ACHILLES 14 July 2009
11:58:36 am

LOL … the answer is right there in the title of this post.

Trivia – Blind faith still makes some in the most developed countries in this world to question the theory of human evolution … as it is said to be against the ‘word of God!’

Gorilla 14 July 2009
12:02:02 pm

‘Producer Nadiadwala, Akshay Kumar and Eros has reached the pinnacle of shameful dishonesty and tried to pull off the Biggest Scam in the history of Bollywood box-office!’

This is a conclusion made in haste. Who will certify who is right or wrong? Past credentials are shady for almost anyone in business. I can take that producers are wrong becuase i know you more, but i cannot substantiate it further.

Negative reviews are the only reasons ppl were wary of the KI’s collections. If KI had got **** rating, then producer’s claim of 42Cr wud have looked more authentic because Houseful boards and advance booking over the weekend is a fact in case of KI and this can’t be denied. Even weekday’s drop was not alarming. I am not saying KI has all time records, but definitely from the look, <35 Cr looks difficult. Rest is will see what Tango/Jogindar says at the end and how KI is treated at the end of 2009.

Gorilla 14 July 2009
12:09:25 pm

Thanks Rocky bhai. For JA I was at the same side, for NY I was at the same side and for KI too I am at the same side. I go by what looks commonsensical to me without going into numbers whose accuracy is doubt-able in bizarre reporting like this. Ideally i would have taken any total if it would have matched with any other. But in this case reports of all sources are horribly different and hence my rejection to all of them.

ritz 14 July 2009
12:19:01 pm

ACHILLES, Darwin’s ancestors did not believe in his theory…they still don’t.

rudresh 14 July 2009
12:29:10 pm

JA dn KI debate same?? come on…..

for JA one want to call it a hit at 58 crore or not is different thing, but numbers shows that it collected 58+ .

here we are finding that differnce in number is so high….
whether one call like to call it a sperhit or average or flop with first week at 33 cr, its their wish and different thing.

Som 14 July 2009
12:31:49 pm

The problem with KI is that the numbers certainly don’t justify the 42cr claim by the Producer. It seems way below than that considering the data on hand.

If you look at the claims of other big hits in recent times, estimates do vary but the difference is no more than 2-3cr. But in case of KI it is almost 10-11cr, even BOI which had 36cr earlier had to come down to 33.42cr as the numbers started to come in. A difference of 2-3 cr is understandable but 10-11cr?? Com’on! What are we smoking? Whom are we fooling?

Check the figures of last week release New York in FI, are the numbers of Kambakkhat Ishq anyway significantly higher than New York? Look at North which was supposedly considered to be Kambakkhat Ishq’s forte, New York is ahead in some of the key centers like Delhi, Noida and Gurgaon. So if we say New York did 27-28cr, how come Kambakkhat Ishq be almost 50% higher than New York? Where did it make that kinda collections to balance out the deficit in North and then beat New York by a 50% margin? Where?Show me the collections.

Ok lets believe 42cr is the correct figure for Kambakkhat Ishq but why is it lagging behind the likes of Singh Is King and Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi the movies which made more or less the same as the “claimed” Kambakkhat Ishq’s figure, in most of the key centers by 18-20%??Why such huge difference?When the key centers the big ones which constitute close to 80% of the total nett. are showing a difference of 18-20%, how much the small centers, the unreported ones would account for?Negligible, no?

Moreover when we have been using the data provided in FI and Indiafm for every movie for the last 3 years, how come the same sources suddenly became insignificant?

The crux of the matter is Kambakkhat Ishq seems to have done way less than what the producers have claimed and they have literally made a mockery of us. Reminds me of the famous song Golmaal Hai Bhai Sab Golmaal Hai. It is always better not to give a blind eye to these stuffs when there is so much discrepancy in numbers.

I am waiting for Rudresh’s estimate, that would even give a better picture.

Gorilla 14 July 2009
12:46:13 pm

‘The problem with KI is that the numbers certainly don’t justify the 42cr claim by the Producer. ‘

Som, i will say that’s one of the problem. The other problem is the numbers that has come in which looks unrealistic. No way a film with 90%+ opening weekend, moderate fall over weekdays and 1200+ print can have a total figure < 35Cr. But the numbers provided are not there at all. North’s figures seems horribly wrong.
The opening over the weekend was extraordinary and this is an open fact. One need to be in India and those who have seen KI over the weekend are witness to full houses. Even weekdays saw 70%+ full theaters. So it is unlikely to believe in low figures. It is also difficult to believe the producer’s figures.
I do not have any formula to support my claim but based on open eyes and a simple logic, i can safely say that the opening(week1) was far bigger than NY and a figure anywhere between 35-40 Cr is plausible if 90%+ opening for other films (Ghajini, SIK) of similar release dimension were 8-10 Cr/day over weekend.
I am waiting for Tango/Joginadar’s report.

Som 14 July 2009
12:53:18 pm

“North’s figures seems horribly wrong.”

Well. If Taran, BOI and Komal all have made typos and reported incorrect figures may be some hidden agenda behind it, then I can’t say.In that case 42cr is possible or for that matter any figure.

ACHILLES 14 July 2009
12:56:34 pm

Gorilla – I can understand your shock with the reported centers … mainly because you starting with your ‘belief’ that KI has had a ‘90% housfell extra-ordinary opening’ … your ‘belief’ is hampering you to accept the’fact’ (the figures).

Once you lay rest to your ‘belief’ the numbers will start to make some sense (hopefully).

Gorilla 14 July 2009
12:59:48 pm

Som, North India has given strong reports.
Even in today’s midweek report, Taran has mentioned that 2nd weekend takes a big drop but North is holding up well.
BOI has mentioned the same sentiments.
Logic1: If that’s the case North India can’t have these figures
Logic2: Taran and BOI are talking about North Pole.

Gorilla 14 July 2009
01:04:20 pm

Achilles, None of the reports so far has mentioned that KI did not have good weekend1 collection. Some are calling it extraordinary, some historic, some good based on the adjective they mean and use most of the time. But their sentiments are same. Plus good advance booking and houseful shows for weekend1 was a fact.

ACHILLES 14 July 2009
01:17:25 pm

Gorilla – You need to chill abit … do you think a 20 cr weekend net is not good? No one in his sane mind will say that … of course it is a good opening. Also there may have been some housefull shows when fans rushed in to see the latest Akki flick.

But the problem was with the PR machinery trying to portray a good opening as ‘extra-ordinary’ … hence all the hyperbole about ‘historic opening’, ‘biggest opening’ ever, ‘better than Ghajini’ and so on. You need to read in between the lines to see the hyperbole.

I am not sure if you are aware of the collection of hit movies in the north belt – KI also has pretty strong numbers here – but again its nothing ‘extra-ordinary’ or record breaking.

Just take some deep breaths and relax – maybe Pranayam might help!

Gorilla 14 July 2009
01:25:25 pm

Ach, If i do not speak for KI, there is noone on NG to point the obvious.I am balancing things out. It looks better that way.
Otherwise you will only end up having ‘Well said/Good Analysis’ comments after just reading the title of the thread without actually having read your content. Because of me, they will read it now.

ACHILLES 14 July 2009
01:31:08 pm

I respect your attempts … but for our friendship’s sake – dont bother to ridicule yourself just in order to bring in some ‘balance’!

The numbers will always speak for themselves … if you have any factual questions on the analysis, I will be obliged to clarify them (but not anyone’s perceptions … that is too personal for me to address).

Cheers!

Gorilla 14 July 2009
01:41:29 pm

Well i have stated facts. It’s upto you to trash it by treating it as my perception or accept it with reluctance and keep an open mind about things.
I will see how KI is perceived as and will accept if it is treated differently by and large.
…and i do like ridiculing myself….it still makes me feel better.

rks 14 July 2009
02:15:32 pm

Guru ki 2 crore ki fight 2 saal chali, now KI opening ki fight… ..

ACHILLES 14 July 2009
03:17:00 pm

RKS – In vector terminology, the direction of the previous debates may have been the same, but there is considerable variation in magnitude this time!

Opening Week Debates:

Guru – 18 cr or 20 cr?
Jodhaa Akbar – 23 cr or 25 cr?
Sarkar Raj – 23 cr or 25 cr?

All fights were for a couple of crores.

For KI – Is it 31 cr or 42 cr!!! Is there even a case for any fight/argument?

rks 14 July 2009
04:20:36 pm

Ach – I was alluding to that difference

Som 14 July 2009
08:10:30 pm

“Logic1: If that’s the case North India can’t have these figures
Logic2: Taran and BOI are talking about North Pole.”

The second one looks right

On a serious note, the numbers in North are healthy but they have not really matched up to the hyperbolic claims about it being historic in this region. As Ach. pointed out PR machinery made it sure the “good-very good” opening looks like an extra-ordinary or a historic one and I have to say many would have got swayed away by that. When we heard of a Singh Is King taking an historic start, It was there for all of us to see, the numbers justified it even though the collections started to drop after the opening weekend.Despite a fall in the weekdays, Singh is King was still able to put up a historic first week which would in fact indicate and suggest how big the opening was. But it does not seem to be the case with Kambakkhat Ishq,at least from the numbers we have on hand.

Bash 14 July 2009
08:27:03 pm

“Akhshay is here to stay and is a giving SRK and the like run for their money. ”

SRK has one big film in the making and others in paper. Don’t think he is competing in the first place. Its gotta be Salman Khan Vs Akshay. Theyv’e got the biggies Wanted, London Dreams, Blue, blah blah …

Som 14 July 2009
09:51:35 pm

“Guru ki 2 crore ki fight 2 saal chali, now KI opening ki fight”

We have had big discussions on producers over reporting their films but Guru was an unique study where a case was made on producer under reporting the film and even after 2 years it is still a mystery how much Guru did The way things are going,so many discrepancies , Kambakkhat Ishq might just become one of those unsolved mysteries of Boxoffice.

Tango 14 July 2009
10:17:42 pm

Well said Som “but Guru was an unique study where a case was made on producer under reporting the film and ”

Producers are prone to give higher than actual totals(barring Yash Raj), but never less than actual for their own movies. And that is why the Guru debates are still on.

RAJ 14 July 2009
10:37:24 pm

“”Akhshay is here to stay and is a giving SRK and the like run for their money”"

Why not…??

One RNBDJ collection = CCTC+ KI+ Tasveer…

But yes akshay is here to stay.,..

RAJ 14 July 2009
10:40:35 pm

“”"Kambakkhat Ishq might just become one of those unsolved mysteries of Boxoffice”"

Som,

Its the turning point…With KI…If akshay acceptes the fact that he has to pull his socks,then his popularity ‘ll remain intact…If Akshay drowns himself in the false glory then i am sure audince are going to give him more shocks…

RAJ 14 July 2009
10:53:01 pm

“”SRK has one big film in the making and others in paper. Don’t think he is competing in the first place. Its gotta be Salman Khan Vs Akshay. Theyv’e got the biggies Wanted, London Dreams, Blue, blah blah …”"

2009 would be watershed year for both Salman and Akshay….Between themselves they ‘ll create the record of delivering highest number of flops in a single calender year…

RAJ 14 July 2009
10:59:29 pm

“”"Moreover, the opening over the weekend was extraordinary and this is an open fact. One need to be in India and those who have seen KI over the weekend are witness to full houses”"

Friday was 100 pct full at my place..but saturday and Sunday showed drops…KI’s opening was nothing compared to SIK at my place..

As som pointed out he purchased the Rs.40 ticket for Rs.70( In the black market)..It is a good indicator for a movie because i saw NY the previous week by paying Rs.200 for a Rs.60 ticket..

At my place black market prices of tickets is a good indicator of a movies’ performance and its WOM..

sv 14 July 2009
11:10:23 pm

Achilles, KI lost more than 1 crore in mumbai.So it would have done 7.1 crores.A film which took the second biggest opening in mumbai only netted 3.38 crores in delhi?That is a practical impossibility.Akshay’s films do very well in north.And KI was very good in north.The north figures are incomplete.And without proper data we can’t estimate correctly.Also KI released i more theatres than NY.So collections will be more in incomplete centres.

sv 15 July 2009
06:25:26 am

Achilles,KI lost 1 crore in mumbai because of rains.I said that after adding it.So 7.19 crores is second biggest opening.Anycase I will now accept KI first week is 37-38 crores which incidentally abid also says in bollywood box office report of the week.But again for the first time komal’s numbers do not justify the occupancy of 85-90 percent in delhi belt and also in UP.Race was 4 crores in delhi 2 years ago.KI should be more than that.

ACHILLES 15 July 2009
06:45:39 am

SV – KI took second biggest opening in Mumbai? Lets consider the opening of biggies of last year in Mumbai:

Ghajini – 11 cr
SIK – 7.1 cr
RNBDJ – 6.7 cr
Race – 5.8 cr
KI – 6.2 cr

KI is marginally better than Race and lags behind others even with a bigger print release!

Coming to Delhi numbers:

Ghajini – 5.8 cr
SIK – 4.8 cr
RNBDJ – 4.4 cr
Race – 4.00 cr
KI – 3.4 cr

Again KI lagging behind biggies in Delhi – But it is still a good number there.

Also regarding incomplete centers, Komal had reported delhi for 32 cinemas for both New York and KI. What does that mean?

1. Komal MAY have source to data from only 32 cinemas in Delhi.

2. If KI delhi number is incomplete – by the same assumption NY may be incomplete too. Komal does not mention his Delhi numbers are incomplete in any case. And since I am comparing data from same number of cinemas in Delhi, its representative of how KI has done as compared to NY.

3. KI was released on more number of prints – so surely it had more shows in the plexes than NY – but still it could not do much better than NY.

Anyways, I am still waiting for that excel you promised that justifies producer’s claim of 42 cr.

ACHILLES 15 July 2009
06:46:35 am

I also dont buy the excuse that the Delhi number is incomplete. If we compare the cinema counts for the widest releases (refering to BOI as I dont have any other source right now):

KI – 1048
CCTC – 1032
Ghajini – 1125

Lets see how many Delhi cinemas Komal has reported for these three movies:

KI – 32
CCTC – 34
Ghajini – 40

From this data Komal does not seem to be reporting incomplete number of cinemas. KI had the largest print count – which means it was playing to more number of shows in the same plexes that played the other movies.

Trivia – Race actually lost 2 cr for traffic jams and Race is infact the second biggest opener in Mumbai at 7.8 cr!

Som 15 July 2009
06:58:39 am

Delhi number is very much complete. When Komal has incomplete collections of any major center, he mentions.

ACHILLES 15 July 2009
07:22:38 am

It will be interesting to see what number Rudresh comes up with when he re-estimates with FI data … I doubt if he will get more than his previous estimate of 33 cr.

sv 15 July 2009
08:42:52 am

Relying on these numbers we won’t gwt more than 33-34 crores.It could be that Komal got data which is not right.May be if we can get the occupancy of delhi theatres we can estimate correctly.

Akshay 15 July 2009
09:00:09 am

From the looks of it even I was wondering all these numbers are incorrect. Somehow even looking at Akshay Kumar’s interviews you can make out that he is not a genuinely honest person (I know that is a very strong statement to make) and is trying very hard to reach the top which he has been grossly unsuccessful at.

To me Akshay Kumar still is not in the same class as Aamir / Shahrukh / Salman or Hrithik and still has a long way to go.

We were discussing Hrishikesh Mukherjee’s movies yesterdays and the fact that he has given so many classics. Out of 125 odd movies that AK has performed is there any movie that one can watch over and over ??

ACHILLES 15 July 2009
09:03:18 am

SV – The perception of very high ‘extraordinary’ occupancy of 90+ % in Delhi was most likely to be a publicity propaganda by PR machinery to counter the negetive reviews and poor wom.

The figures dont even suggest a 33-34 cr here (as Taran’s mixed up numbers suggested) … FI data shows its actually a couple of crores less than that – around 30-32 cr.

This has been an unique case where FI data indicates a less total than Taran’s .. clearly suggests that Taran Adarsh had gone all out to support his hyperbole.

ACHILLES 18 July 2009
12:57:21 pm

I wud like to conclude this thread with a final comment.

KI has crashed in Week 2. Whether it has fallen by 70% or 80% shud be clear with FI numbers (even though may hear that Komal has intentionally published incomplete figures only for this movie !).

The week 2 trending indicates that the movie has been completely rejected by the paying public. It opened well with the opening weekend anywhere between 20-25 cr, but fell hard since then.

While all who have hailed it as a big success, come to terms with the harsh reality; (some may even be too ashamed to admit their mistake and thus be lenient on the movie) producer Nadiadwala and Akshay Kumar’s mammoth scam of 100 cr has fallen apart without anymore doubt whatsoever.

As they say it – its nothing but ‘Karma’ for all the dishonesty.

sandy 21 July 2009
12:01:20 am

http://www.bollywoodhungama.co.....index.html

Taran giving semi-hit tag for KI means average/ below average for sure. Dissapointing year for Akshay so far.

sandy 21 July 2009
12:03:07 am

I liked KI more than SIK, PHH and BB – but by no means are these creditable films. Akshay need to do a rethink on his scripts for sure.

Qalandar 21 July 2009
05:57:49 am

sandy: must say I am quite surprised you liked Kambakht Ishq more than Singh is King or Bhaagam Bhaag. I couldn’t even finish this one, and found it to be one of the worst films ever. I mean it was disgraceful. Not to mention that it was incredibly misogynistic and offensive.

ACHILLES 21 July 2009
06:07:48 am

Well I cant blame Sandy if she prefers KI to SIK/PHP/HB/BB – I was not impressed by SIK/PHP that much either. Hera Phera still remains the best comedy movie that Akshay has done so far – it is a classic. While Akshay had milked money out of the comedy genre after that, he still has not been able to recreate another Hera Pheri. Also De Dhan Dhan may be the best bet in that regard as it is essentially the same combination of actors/directors (not sure if Paresh Rawal is a cast of DDD or not).

rks 21 July 2009
08:08:40 am

Q – “I couldn’t even finish this one, and found it to be one of the worst films ever. I mean it was disgraceful. Not to mention that it was incredibly misogynistic and offensive.”

Pehle hi warn kiyaa tha

ACHILLES 24 July 2009
07:04:26 am

I am reviving this thread once again.

It seems the constant NG scrutiny on KI scam from the day of its release has paid off … as you now see NG offshoot blogs picking up the story after the dust has settled … we see Jogi not mentioning anything about KI success in his column after urging us in the first week to believe in producer claims … we see TV channels picking up the scam story like IBN-Live and Zee news.

Its a welcome change that these sources are trying to present the true picture to as wide a audience as possible … these small efforts may one day add up to bring some accountability into the system.

But such a scenario is far from now … most are still willing to ‘believe’ in producers and does not have the courage to go out against the hogwash as we did in NG … they will wait till the wave has subsided … so that they dont have to face the backlash from the blind fans or be scarred with allegations of star politics being the motivation for questioning the obvious false propaganda … even when the protest agaisnt the propaganda has been a mathematical one from day one!

RAJ 24 July 2009
08:43:16 am

Achillies,

Good effort from your end..Yes..this efort from NG has paid off…As Neil Armstrong said..”"Its a signifinact step towrads a giant lip”"”

S T R E E T 24 July 2009
10:28:59 am

Totally agree with Q. Akshay’s films have been never been of great quality, but KI was new low. Easily one of the worst films in recent years.. and when I think of the fact that how much money was spent on t, makes me cringe even more. What a horrible film!!

I tried, but couldn’t find a single moment of this comedy funny.

Qalandar 24 July 2009
09:23:12 pm

Aside: it really pained me to see the racist humor at the black cop’s expense in Kambakht Ishq, and the incredibly sexist humor here (although the latter is so common it is a question of degree and not of kind). I’m actually looking forward to De Dhana Dan, because whatever one might say about Priyan, he doesn’t do this sort of thing. I hope Akshay is a bit more conscious of his dignity and image and does not do more films with such scenes…

ACHILLES 24 July 2009
09:24:45 pm

Its sad to see mods like Q instead of organising things (which in my book is one reason to have mods) indulging in petty politics as per his preference.

Wud request this mod to open up a new thread and take his related comments there.

Qalandar 24 July 2009
09:27:49 pm

Re: “Its sad to see mods like Q instead of organising things (which in my book is one reason to have mods) indulging in petty politics as per his preference.”

Even if you think I have failed on organizational grounds, where does the “petty politics” come in? Are you suggesting that I organize some but not other comments? If so, you are clearly mistaken, since I do not believe in organizing any (I will delete duplicate comments if I spot them). I do not have an organization fetish, and conversations lead to unexpected places, or at least very different ones from where they start out; I would much rather have some “disorganization” if it means more vibrant and less controlled conversations. In sum: your insinuation is false — please point out an instance where I have played “petty politics” on this issue.

And please do not delete other people’s comments — it is unacceptable.

ACHILLES 24 July 2009
09:40:44 pm

Petty politics in the sense that you found it pretty coherent that when kites/3I is releasing is related to KI scam (the topic here)?

ps-i did not delete anyone’s comment but some unrelated news article that is no way related to this discussion. If you have probs with that, take it up with rohit.

Gorilla 24 July 2009
09:59:24 pm

It’s sad to see what has happened in last 10 minutes on NG regarding tampering with the comments.

Qalandar 24 July 2009
10:03:42 pm

Re: “If you have probs with that, take it up with rohit.”

Rohit has made it clear: no deletion of other people’s comments. If you are annoyed because an irrelevant comment was posted on a thread, a polite request would, I am sure, suffice. If it didn’t, this cure — deletion — is worse than the disease of irrelevancy.

But thanks for posting as a new thread. Please do not delete comments in the future. Thanks.

Qalandar 24 July 2009
10:06:21 pm

Re: “Petty politics in the sense that you found it pretty coherent that when kites/3I is releasing is related to KI scam (the topic here)?”

I have already explained my theory of/on conversations in the comment that’s now on the Kites release date thread. Where’s the politics in that? The principle is simple: don’t delete comments. If that means occasionally putting up with a few irrelevant comments, it is not the end of the world — from the very beginning on this blog, there have been threads that delve into multiple topics. The anti-deletion rule is NOT optional.

ACHILLES 24 July 2009
10:10:03 pm

I did request you to open a new post and take those comments there … your reply to that did not indicate you were inclined to anything except make an ‘issue’ out of this.

So i had to do the needful. Cheers

Qalandar 24 July 2009
10:15:07 pm

You didn’t “have to do” anything — and be that as it may, don’t do it in the future. This issue has come up before, and the guidance has always been uniform: DO NOT DELETE COMMENTS, WHATEVER YOU MAKE OF THEIR VALUE/RELEVANCE.

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