Score Card of Amir andd Sharukh

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To check whether Amir and Shahrukh belong to the Sachin league, i worked around the cricket tradition, and complied a score card ad of quality. The only comprehensive dat I could get is IMDB user ratings. Not that they are infallible, not even that I agree with all of them, but since most of them are by over thousands of users, thee is some reflection of quality perception there. I have remove spl appearances and appearance as child actor.

This is the summary:

Sharukh: 51 films: Total rating: 319.5, Av: 6.26
Amir: 35 films: total rating: 203.5. av: 5.8

If we take only the last ten years ( 99-08):

Sharukh: 23 films. total: 151.8. Av: 6.6
Amir: 10 films. Total: 70.8 . av: 7.08

Scores above 8:

Sharukh : 3 ( Chak de India, Swades, Kabhi Haan Kabhi Na)
Amir: 7 ( TZP, RDB, DCh, Lagaan, Andaz Apna Apna, Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar, QSQT)

Maximum rated Film:

Amir ( 2) ( Andaz Apna Apna (8.6), Jo Jeeta Wohi sikandar (8.6))

Now you guys can draw your own conclusions.

Here is the actual list:
Score Card : Amir Khan
1. Ghajini (2008) 7.0
2. Taare Zameen Par (2007) 8.0
3. Fanaa (2006) 6.8
4. Rang De Basanti (2006) 8.1
5. The Rising: Ballad of Mangal Pandey (2005) 6.9
6. Dil Chahta Hai (2001) 8.4
7. Lagaan: Once Upon a Time in India (2001) 8.0
8. Mela (2000) 3.3
9. Mann (1999) 6.1
10. Sarfarosh (1999) 8.2
11. Earth (1998) 7.6
12. Ghulam (1998) 7.2
13. Ishq (1997) 6.7
14. Raja Hindustani (1996) 5.7
15. Rangeela (1995) 7.8
16. Aatank Hi Aatank (1995) 4.8
17. Baazi (1995) 6.1
18. Akele Hum Akele Tum (1995) 7.1
19. Andaz Apna Apna (1994) 8.6
20. Hum Hain Rahi Pyar Ke (1993) 7.6
21. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar (1992) 8.6
22. Parampara (1992) 4.6
23. Daulat Ki Jung (1992) 4.4
24. Isi Ka Naam Zindagi (1992) 4.5
25. Afsana Pyar Ka (1991) 4.9
26. Dil Hai Ki Manta Nahin (1991) 7.3
27. Dil (1990) 6.6
28. Tum Mere Ho (1990) 3.9
29. Awwal Number (1990) 4.1
30. Deewana Mujh Sa Nahin (1990) 4.6
31. Jawani Zindabad (1990) 4.5
32. Love Love Love (1989) 4.5
33. Raakh (1989) 7.5
34. Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak (1988) 8.2
35. Holi (1984) 6.2

Score Card : Sharukh Khan

1. Billu (2009) 6.7
2. Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi (2008) 6.8
3. Om Shanti Om (2007) 6.4
4. Chak De! India (2007) 8.2
5. Don (2006/I) 6.9
6. Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna (2006) 5.5
7. Paheli (2005) 6.6
8. Swades: We, the People (2004) 8.4
9. Veer-Zaara (2004) 7.3
10. Main Hoon Na (2004) 6.9
11. Yeh Lamhe Judaai Ke (2004) 2.5
12. Kal Ho Naa Ho (2003) 7.7
13. Chalte Chalte (2003) 6.7
14. Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam (2002) 5.4
15. Devdas (2002/I) 7.3
16. Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham… (2001) 7.0
17. Asoka (2001) 6.6
18. One 2 Ka 4 (2001) 5.7
19. Mohabbatein (2000) 6.7
20. Josh (2000) 5.8
21. Hey Ram (2000) 7.8
22. Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani (2000) 7.0
23. Baadshah (1999) 5.9
24. Kuch Kuch Hota Hai (1998) 7.4
25. Dil Se.. (1998) 7.5
26. Duplicate (1998) 5.5
27. Dil To Pagal Hai (1997) 6.7
28. Yes Boss (1997) 7.0
29. Koyla (1997) 6.0
30. Pardes (1997) 6.8
31. Dushman Duniya Ka (1996) 3.4
32. Chaahat (1996) 4.9
33. Army (1996) 4.4
34. English Babu Desi Mem (1996) 4.6
35. Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge (1995) 7.9
36. Guddu (1995) 3.8
37. Karan Arjun (1995) 6.3
38. Oh Darling Yeh Hai India (1995) 4.1
39. Ram Jaane (1995) 5.6
40. Trimurti (1995) 4.5
41. Zamaana Deewana (1995) 5.0
42. Anjaam (1994) 5.7
43. Darr (1993) 7.3
44. Baazigar (1993) 7.3
45. Maya (1993) 6.7
46. Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa (1993) 8.1
47. King Uncle (1993) 5.6
48. Dil Aashna Hai (…The Heart Knows) (1992) 5.8
49. Chamatkar (1992/I) 6.4
50. Deewana (1992) 6.4
51. Raju Ban Gaya Gentleman (1992) 7.0

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RAJ 25 February 2009
07:25:04 am

Clearly there is no difference in perception of quality in careers of both the actors…Secondly why should only last 10 years be considered??? If that would have been the case then AMitabh would have been a nonentity…The entire career has to be taken in to consideration….

Finally I care less about the critics as I am always a advocate of audince approval….

RAJ 25 February 2009
07:27:02 am

Utkal,

I urge you not to compare Sachin with any of the khans…Sachin belong to a different plane alltogether…Yeah its ok if we have a debate about SRK and AAmir separately…

rudresh 25 February 2009
07:39:06 am

agreed raj,no need to compare anyone with Sachin.

utkal 25 February 2009
08:08:26 am

Raj,
These are not critic’s ratings, but users’. Ten years’ ratings scorecard, is to give a sense of current form, but a lifetime scorecard is also provided.

RAJ 25 February 2009
08:45:49 am

Utkal

In that case the biggest user rating is BO collection then why we are taking some useless site for reference….

utkal 25 February 2009
09:00:10 am

Raj, not really. Box Ofice collection is not an indicator of a film being liked. Take for example, CCTC might have earned 30 crores and Bheja Fry 10 crores. That does not mean that CCTC was liked more than Bheja Fry. It is quite possible 80% of people who saw CCTC hated it. Box office figure represent the number of people who saw it, not who liked it.

If that was not the case why the need for users’ rating? why do you think the best film list is not based on box office earnings, but on users’ ratings. ( Of course no ratings can reflect how much a film has been liked exactly, but still users’ ratings if the sample is large, are a fair indicator, the best that we have.)

S T R E E T 25 February 2009
09:10:17 am

lol.. Lagaan has a 8.0 rating and CDI an 8.2. great goiing..
Then DDLJ at 7.9 and QSQT at 8.2 … Case closed.

utkal 25 February 2009
09:14:59 am

Street, as I disclaimed the ratings may not match what you feel, or what I feel,( I rate Lagaan highest in the oeuvres of both these actors.) , but that is not the point. If thousands of viewers have rated them thus, so be it for our study.

neelu 25 February 2009
09:17:40 am

IMDb ratings are hardly an indicator of a film’s critical appeal. They are user ratings and the BO is a much better indicator of this appeal. In the Bheja Fry vas CCTC example I would say that many of the people for saw CCTC liked it (I know I was among them) and many who saw Bheja Fry were put off by the frame for frame ripoff (I know I was)! Unless we take exit polls such conjectures are really quite silly.

DDLJ is less liked that QSQT? On what planet is that happening? And IMDb final ratings are NOT an average of user ratings – rather special emphasis is given to the IMDb top 1000 voters.

They overall career of these actors is quite illuminating – no wonder Aamir woke up to the fact that he needed to stop dishing out crap and start doing better films! But then he is in a comfort zone now and acting in films like Fanaaa and Ghajini – so every forward step is accompanied by more backward movement. The next few years should be interesting!

S T R E E T 25 February 2009
09:23:21 am

As for BO, Aamir had a total of 4 clean hits in his entire career prior to 2006…. a total of 18 freaking years. QSQT, Dil, RH and Lagaan.

yeah he did have 3-4 above average and semi-hits but that’s it. Hardly anything to write home about. look at it this way.. Akshay has delivered almost as many hits in a 20 month period that took Aamir his 20 year career.

RAJ 25 February 2009
09:31:49 am

Utkal,

Still I strongly feel BO is the only criteria to gauge audinces’ likes or dislikes…You can’t take the total BO gross in isolation for sure…Every other factor has to be factored in..It is WOM of a movie and this can be seen from BO trendings and collections. For Example” a wednes days” has good WOM and it reflected in its week to week collections..Same goes for CCTC when it comes to negative WOM.

Secondly how many people know about IMDB…To be very honest I have never beet to this site and so as my freinds…It can’t form a representitive sample for sure…

For me BO is the only criteria. I don’t care about what a critics or IMDB kind of sites say…

utkal 25 February 2009
07:25:46 pm

Raj, for you box office criteria may be the biggest criteria, but for the world it is not.( I have explained the dynamics of why it is so. For example, lkahs of people went to se Delhi 6, because of the track record of Mehra, RDB and the superlative music. *0% of them did not like the film. The attendance is reflected in BO returns. Their dislike is not.) If you were looking to rent a DVd, would you look at the Biggest BO list, or the IMDB Top 250 list? OS and Rab Ne are the BO toppers among Sharukh’s films. Have they been liked more than Chak De India, Swades and DDLJ?

If you believe that, you are welcome. My list is for those who believe that Mard might have earned more than Deewar, but Deewar is more liked.

utkal 25 February 2009
07:28:57 pm

That Amir did some real crappy films in the first 10 years of his carer is not in question. But look at where he is now. Amitabh had 12 flops in row in the early stage of his career. So? It’s not about where you start from. But where you reach.

My name is Beld 25 February 2009
07:31:32 pm

utkal – if u consider inflation and cost of capital – DDLJ, Deewar etc earned more. Granted BO is not the only indicator but so isnt user reviews. And finally movie are so personal in a way – all these things dont matter and you cant judge them by metrics. I believe Swades and Kabhi haan kabhi naa is better than any movie that Aamir has done. But at the same time the movies I would love to watch over and over again are QSQT and Jo Jeeta..No one may agree with that – but what do i care? So to me – this is a pointless discussion..

utkal 25 February 2009
07:46:54 pm

Beld, quoting frong from BOI, Sanyasi and Dus Numbari have earned more than Deewar in the same year. Even after inflation adjustment, Mard has earned more than Zanjeer ( 52cr vs 49cr)and double that of Mr India ( 27cr). And I am yet to meet a single person who has liked Mard. Your likng QSQT and Jo Jeta is perfectly understandable. many others do. And again many others dont. That’s why users base of over thousands is some kind of an average. Not prefect. But something to go by.

Nowhere in the world when they discuss the greatest movies , IMDB, Sight and Sound, Time,…no one bases their survey on the Box Office. Many go by critics. Many go by viewers. But Box Office is never taken as the barometer of viewer’s liking.

And I am using IMDB, because it’s the only one available with some kind of data. And its users are closest to NG in terms of demographic profile ( Net users, English speaking, somewhat aware of cinema outside of Bollywood.)

RAJ 25 February 2009
09:24:21 pm

Utkal,

“”Their dislike is not.) If you were looking to rent a DVd, would you look at the Biggest BO list, or the IMDB Top 250 list? OS and Rab Ne are the BO toppers among Sharukh’s films”"

If i have to rent a DVD,i wont go for either BO or IMDB(I hardly know abt it)…I am sure nobody would do that..

People watch movies and rend DVDs on their gut feeling and the as per their the stars they like(make no mistakes about it)..I can say this from my experience of owning a store..

utkal 25 February 2009
09:34:19 pm

raj, I am talking about someone who is looking for the best in world cinema, trying to check if there are any movies he or she should not miss before he or she dies.

RAJ 25 February 2009
09:36:35 pm

Utkal,

I bet…very few people take movies so seriously..But having said that i really appreceate your passion for good cinema…Way to go buddy…

neelu 25 February 2009
09:49:42 pm

utkal – I would say that for someone who truly cares about the best of world cinema – IMDb is about 3 years behind the curve now. It is at a point where any newest release is an instant fad and bumped into the top 250 while some classic “must see” is bumped off the list. This might have something to do with the changing demographic of the net savvy movie viewers getting younger and younger. Most would have gone to Rottentomatoes 1-2 years ago, but now the favored site is Metacritic.

utkal 25 February 2009
09:57:37 pm

Neeelu, you are right. IMDB is more about mainstream Hollywood cinema ( with a sprinkling of world cinema that has crossed over.) Metacritic may indeed be it. But my point is, you will go to some kind of listing other than Box Office chars.

neelu 25 February 2009
10:05:56 pm

But IMDb goes by BO strictly utkal. They will love Titanic or TDK or whatever the next big studio big release is. Is that not BO? Metacritic is not that way – but IMDb is.

utkal 25 February 2009
10:26:10 pm

There you are totally wrong neelu, the IMDB Top 250, whether you agree with it or not, has little correlation with box office.Neither does it have anything against Box office successes.

Here are their Top 10.

Rank Rating Title Votes
1. 9.1 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 409,222
2. 9.1 The Godfather (1972) 342,240
3. 9.0 The Godfather: Part II (1974) 197,863
4. 8.9 Buono, il brutto, il cattivo., Il (1966) 119,635
5. 8.9 Pulp Fiction (1994) 337,038
6. 8.9 The Dark Knight (2008) 348,999
7. 8.8 Schindler’s List (1993) 223,428
8. 8.8 One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (1975) 171,129
9. 8.8 12 Angry Men (1957) 86,277
10. 8.8 Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 232,046
11. 8.8 Casablanca (1942) 141,311
12. 8.8 Star Wars (1977) 273,811
13. 8.8 Shichinin no samurai (1954) 80,185
14. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) 297,503
15. 8.7 Goodfellas (1990) 185,035
16. 8.7 Rear Window (1954) 96,643
17. 8.7 Cidade de Deus (2002) 126,876
18. 8.7 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 207,106
19. 8.7 C’era una volta il West (1968) 56,979
20. 8.7 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 325,725
21. 8.7 Fight Club (1999) 305,207
22. 8.7 The Usual Suspects (1995) 223,802
23. 8.7 Psycho (1960) 117,227
24. 8.6 The Silence of the Lambs (1991) 201,135
25. 8.6 Sunset Blvd. (1950)

neelu 25 February 2009
10:29:55 pm

Which of the HW films in the Top 250 did not work at the BO? And remember we are talking recent release phenomenon.

utkal 25 February 2009
10:44:45 pm

I am not saying they did not work at the box office. What I am saying is that they are not the Top 25 in the Box office chart. Pulp fuction and Fight Club are small box office sucesses compared to the biggest hits of those years. Just like Bheja Fry, Dev D or Satya are in the Bollywood context.

Here are the Top 25 in box office terms. By the way the very topper in Box office Titanic, is nowhere in the Top 25.

1. Titanic (1997) $1,835,300,000
2. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $1,129,219,252
3. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest (2006) $1,060,332,628
4. The Dark Knight (2008) $997,184,219
5. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone (2001) $968,657,891
6. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End (2007) $958,404,152
7. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007) $937,000,866
8. Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace (1999) $922,379,000
9. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) $921,600,000
10. Jurassic Park (1993) $919,700,000
11. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005) $892,194,397
12. Spider-Man 3 (2007) $885,430,303
13. Shrek 2 (2004) $880,871,036
14. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002) $866,300,000
15. Finding Nemo (2003) $865,000,000
16. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) $860,700,000
17. Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (2005) $848,462,555
18. Independence Day (1996) $811,200,000
19. Spider-Man (2002) $806,700,000
20. Star Wars (1977) $797,900,000
21. Shrek the Third (2007) $791,106,665
22. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) $789,458,727
23. Spider-Man 2 (2004) $783,577,893
24. The Lion King (1994) $783,400,000
25. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)

utkal 25 February 2009
10:51:05 pm

Ona budget of 67 million USD, the domestic gross of The Fight Club was 37 million and worldwide gross was about 100 million. On a budget of 25 million USD The Shawshank Redemption grossed 28 million USD. Both of these are not successes. ( Just to give you a perspective, Slumdog , made on a budget of 15 milllion,already has a domestic gross of 100 million and worldwide gross of 160 million.)

neelu 25 February 2009
10:58:04 pm

Slumdog was a small release that picked up by WOM. Entirely different case. In modern times TDK, LTOR are huge BO and IMDb successes! The IMDb top 250 (not top 25) is heavily BO influenced. Top 25 is still reserved for some iconic and historic classics.

S T R E E T 25 February 2009
11:57:24 pm

utkal.. I admit that IMDB is a good refernce for HW films.. but not for Bollywood.. There really isn’t an IMDB equivalent for Bollywood but if there were one a DDLJ wont have got a lower rating than QSQT (speciallly if it were a users’ ratings) or for that matter a CDI wont have had a better cumulative rating than Lagaan.

S T R E E T 25 February 2009
11:58:46 pm

btw.. it should be noted that this topic was started by an Aamir fan.. The SrK fan are simply responding.

SEXY 26 February 2009
12:49:23 pm

One more from a SRK fan for Aamir. You are not even close to his toes man. He’s god of bollywood and you are just “nothing”. May be one or 2 good ones here and there but stay on top for 16+ years and then talk to me. What SRK has achieved, no one has. He is still No. 1 as was 16 years ago. That is why the world calls him the KING and they call you only Aamir. Get over it and work harder.

SEXY 27 February 2009
05:41:49 am

And don’t get offended Aamir fans – I feel the same about other retards like Abhi baby, Akshay and Hrithik. By makin’ a couple of hits those idiots think they can come close to the King. ’nuff said.

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