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That was a BOI ploy doga.rnbdj didnt beat sik opening week.They were with 42 cr for rnbdj for 2 weeks ...
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rks 15 January 2009
04:27:37 pm
Please continue.
Qalandar 15 January 2009
04:34:06 pm
Neelu: As big a fan of masala as I am, the one thing I always appreciate about the post-Qayamat se Qayamat Tak, Maine Pyar Kiya, Aashiqui, Saajan trend is that the importance of the heroine was re-affirmed; combined with the explosion in music sales once Gulshan Kumar, Nadeem-Shravan got into the act, it went a long way towards getting a broad based audience back into the theaters, where people had started to stay away once the great masala tropes of the 1970s became overtaken by crap, sleaze, and the disturbing violence of the cinema that was coming of age in the mid-80s. Sure N-S were plagiarists, but they were nonetheless important.
Madhuri Dixit (my all time personal fav B’wood actress) represents a more ambiguous achievement: yes she was a huge sensation, but she very quickly became typecast in the “item number” mould, and every film had one such number thosofied. Her great acting talent was rarely explored; and because she came of age in an industry where (and this is till mostly true) it is difficult for women to independently gain power, they become “attached” to a particular power structure. And because they weren’t paid very well at all back then, they had to do a LOT of films to make ends meet. The combination of all of these factors meant that Madhuri had 6-10 films every year, even after Texaab, and far too many with Anil Kapoor — and when he flopped, so did her films. The paradigm that prefers “girls” to “women” then meant that she was deemed “too old” for many of the later films. Madhuri was a bit unlucky– had she been a few years younger, she would have been ideally situated to profit from the love story wave. As it is, what pains me is that for all the large number of films she has done, there are very few memorable roles — certainly not enough. And I see this as the result of a sexist structure…
…which in a different way is alive and well today: http://qalandari.blogspot.com/.....d-out.html
rks 15 January 2009
04:36:46 pm
Q-”Sure N-S were plagiarists, but they were nonetheless important.”
NS along with Anand Milind were active musicians of their time. I am not sure but I have heard QSQT songs were copied/inspired from other sources.
Qalandar 15 January 2009
04:37:58 pm
You are correct RKS; I believe more than one song from Qayamat Se Qayamat tak is copied (perhaps from a Telugu source?), I remember reading that on NG.
rks 15 January 2009
04:43:35 pm
These two along with TSeries gave impetus to small musical films which predominately earned from music sales. By any chance remember Hasan Jehangir’s Hawa Hawa
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Qalandar 15 January 2009
04:45:56 pm
Yes! And there was another film which featured a hugely popular soundtrack…I can only remember a couple of lines: “…baitha hoon us raah mein / jo teri manzil nahin” Lal Dupatta Malmal Ka?
NyKavi 15 January 2009
04:46:52 pm
Taran and Komal can only count BO impact. The cultural or emotional or personal impacts are all diff to diff people in diff walks of life.
I think the original argument was about which movie re-started the trend of romance. I cant count LS/EDKL, because using the logic provided by Street, I could then go back all the way to Bobby and claim that to be the starting point as well. There will be 10 movies between Bobby and LS which fall in the same “non action romance” category. But none of these movies properly re-started a trend which had ended with Khanna.
QSQT also had many firsts, the leads, the music director, the singers.. a lot of freshness in the product. Which is why it received adulation.
As for female superstars, they surely cant be denied. But bwood becomes unkind for most heroines after the age 0f 35 at max. Which is a shame, considering that Madhuri at least is one of the best skilled actors in the last 2 decades, far far ahead of many males.
NyKavi 15 January 2009
04:49:54 pm
Hawa Hawa and Hasan Jehangir was a big craze!
That particular era from late 80s to early 90s was probably lacking in original music because of the aging of the yesteryear directors. All these plagiarists did come in to fill the gap.
Remember Oye Oye from Tridev? Viju Shah’s ripoff, but hugely popular in India.
Qalandar 15 January 2009
04:52:29 pm
wait more lines came back to me as I was about to leave the office:
“na jaane, kyun mein beqaraar
Dil mein liye, dard-e-intezaar
Baitha hoon us raah mein
Jo teri manzil nahin”
rks 15 January 2009
05:13:46 pm
Don’t remember much apart from couple of songs from that movie/album
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JustaFan 15 January 2009
05:28:14 pm
The reason QSQT is credited with starting the romatic era in the late 80s is that the action genre just died after that….Sunny did Arjun and a Ghayal and Bachchan had hist last action hit in HUM but people just lot interest in the action movies. Akshay and Sunil did deliver a few moderate hits here and there but the biggest grossers were pretty much all romantic movies. Even after Ghajini’s super success, I don’t think that action genre is back with a bang (pun intended). Comedies and romance are still the flavor.
rks 15 January 2009
05:38:16 pm
“Hawa Hawa and Hasan Jehangir was a big craze!”
I remember three versions of the song. But yes, Muqabala was one songs with atleast 5 different versions.
Shahid 16 January 2009
02:43:40 am
I remember that every other movie in the early 90’s was about two young lovers being forced to separate due to authority, parents, tradition or the law. It got very boring and produced a lot of trash: Tum Mere Ho, Love Love Love, Jeena Teri Gali Mein, Prem Deewane, Pather Ke Phool etc There were some entertaining ones like Dil tho.
jayshah 16 January 2009
02:47:30 am
What really separates the significant romances from the more pedestrian ones is music. It’s very important in this genre. QSQT, MPK, Aashiqui, Dil, Saajan, HAHK, DDLJ…so on all had the most popular music of those years.
neelu 16 January 2009
02:55:51 am
“I cant count LS/EDKL, because using the logic provided by Street, I could then go back all the way to Bobby and claim that to be the starting point as well. There will be 10 movies between Bobby and LS which fall in the same “non action romance” category. But none of these movies properly re-started a trend which had ended with Khanna.
QSQT also had many firsts, the leads, the music director, the singers.. a lot of freshness in the product. Which is why it received adulation.”
That set of statements is completely flawed. Bobby – had most of those elements, as did EDKL and LS. The freshness was there in all three of these films. And their impact at the time was phenomenal to society and to furthering the genre. Today we are looking at them for revisionist eyes.
neelu 16 January 2009
02:56:33 am
I mean with revisionist eyes.
satyam 16 January 2009
05:12:10 am
Bobby came the same year as Zanjeer. Both films were huge. But I think the history is clear on whether it became the age of Bobby or the age of Zanjeer. LOL! Ditto for EDKL and Love Story. Both released the same year. And then? Those earlier love stories were indeed huge successes. Bobby is one of the industry’s legendary moments which is precisely why it is all the more remarkable that it couldn’t breed a history. Rishi Kapoor did a few lighter followups, had hits too but ultimately just found the going very touch in the Bachchan age. And this again gets back to that old point. The Bachchan victory was so complete, so total that really no other trend could emerge in its wake. EDKL and Love Story released the same year but then next year it was as if these two films never happened! Nothing came out of these moments.
But QSQT in ‘88 assuredly began something new and was recognized as such. Anyway I am not going to repeat everything that I’ve said before on this. As I said it’s a bit like debating George Bush. It’s hard to argue when basic facts are disputed.
NyKavi 16 January 2009
05:24:21 am
Again, I clearly stated that the impact of EDKL/LS is not being questioned. This is not about comparing QSQT to the other 2, it is only about determining which movie kickstarted the trend again. The core debate was about which movie re-ushered in the romantic genre. And it is plainly obvious that EDKL/LS were huge successes but did not followup with anything for 7-8 yrs. Whereas QSQT follwed up with a trend that survives till this day.
You are thinking that I am belittling the contribution of EDKL/LS, whereas I am not. And Satyam clearly states that “Bobby is one of the industry’s legendary moments which is precisely why it is all the more remarkable that it couldn’t breed a history. ” The same goes for the other 2, ie, they were legendary but did not breed any followups for a long period of time.
Also remember, that 7 yrs in the 80s were a lifetime because of the huge volume of movies being generated by every actor. So after 1981, there is no significantly succesful romantic genre movie the way until QSQT arrived in 1988. After QSQT the chain of success started in full flow.
NyKavi 16 January 2009
05:27:43 am
I mean, take the simple fact that the mid-80s saw a resurgence of Dharmendra who had 9-10 big action hits in just 2 yrs from 85-87. So how cud we say that LS/EDKL had re-started the age of the romantic genre. People were still swallowing action movies whole until the mid 80s.
neelu 16 January 2009
08:17:16 pm
And action continued into the late 80s and even 90s. So this argument seems to be going nowhere, just like George Bush.
S T R E E T 19 January 2009
12:08:47 am
ok Nykavi lemme make it simple..
QSQT is sandwiched between two films Pyar ka Mandir and MPK.. both of which were bigger hits.. and both those films made their stars a bigger phenomenon than Aamir or Juhi. Dayavan (alongwith Tezaab) made Madhuri the talk of India.. and post-MPK Salman’s stocks hit the roof.
And almost every single year there was some kind of a top romantic hit… so why QSQT be given all that love? You said that a whole bunch of love storie hits followed QSQT.. well not really. The next year only MPK and Chandni.. and the year after only Dil. If you take a look at the major films of 89 and 90.. you’ll hardly see any romantics..In fact there are more romamtic hits 83-85 than there are 88-90. Put aside MPK and a couple more hits (Ashiqui, Dil) the immediate years post-QSQT are dominated by actioners.. the biggest films are either action dramas or else the infamous 80’s potboilers… Aaj Ka Arjun, Agneepath, Ghayal, Tezaab, Hum, Saudagar, Tridev, Ram Lakhan,Toofan Elaan-e-jung.. etc etc.. Even the new breed of stars who started off with romantic hits in Betaab and Hero, is doing action in the 88-91 years. It’s only midway thru 91 when the romantic hits start rolling and though I don’t give a single film any credit for pushing the trend.. I’d pick MPK .. if any.
S T R E E T 19 January 2009
12:15:58 am
edit : “Dayavan alongwith Tezaab made Madhuri…”
S T R E E T 19 January 2009
12:20:58 am
Also NyKavi.. I dont think I ever said that it was as a result of Love Story and EKDL that bollywood shifted its gears away from actioners and towards romantic films… Nor do I think that any other single film did that. There’s a combination of factors amongst which the rise of female superstars is the main one.
S T R E E T 19 January 2009
12:23:22 am
And repeat it wasn’t an overnight change.There was a gradual increase in romantic films and dip in actioners through the 80’s..
Zen 19 January 2009
05:11:44 am
Though I agree with some of your points Street, the truth on QSQT is that it, along with Maine Pyar Kiya and Chandni are generally regarded in the industry as literary “breaking the back of the action” movie. Maine Pyar kiya was more influential than QSQT, in this regard though. From 1988 to 1991, all the top grossing actions movies were pipped in profitability by love stories with equally big grosses.
jayshah 29 January 2009
01:59:19 pm
Hot of the press JUST TODAY:
Rediff: Landmark movies of the 80’s
1980- Aakrosh
1981- Chashme Budoor
1983- Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron
1983- Masoom
1984- Saaransh
1985- Mirch Masala
1987- Mr India, Ijaazat
1988- QSQT
1989- MPK, Parinda, Ram Lakhan
On QSQT;
Though it wasn’t the debut of either Aamir Khan or Juhi Chawla, Mansoor Khan’s directorial debut, launched their careers in a big way.
In this Thakur-themed adaptation of Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet, Aamir and Juhi play Raj and Rashmi — a pair of star-crossed lovers who challenge their fate and families to live their happily-ever-after.
Even if the plot offered nothing new, the lilting freshness of their romance, chemistry and cuteness-perfect pairing of Aamir and Juhi, along with a effective supporting cast, Mansoor Khan’s flair for details and Anand-Milind’s splendid score (Akele hain, Ghazab ka hai din, Papa kehte hain, Aye mere humsafar), contributed significantly in making Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak worthy of a spot in Bollywood’s hall of fame.
To date, nothing compares to the lovely rawness of its young leads as opposed to the polished, prepared lot of present-day.
[Just another "list" and just another "recent" one. Seems like outside of NG is fully aware of "QSQT" afterall]
satyam 29 January 2009
02:01:47 pm
Jay: On QSQT.. don’t confuse us with the facts..
jayshah 29 January 2009
02:06:30 pm
Landmark Movies of the 70’s
Landmark films of the 60s
jayshah 29 January 2009
02:10:42 pm
LOL Satyam
Qalandar 29 January 2009
02:13:30 pm
Dayavan made Madhuri?! The only thing that made news about this tank was the kiss (and that was more akin to Vinod Khanna going to lunch than kissing a beautiful woman). I don’t think one can put Dayavan and Tezaab in the same breath as far as impact on Madhuri Dixit’s career is considered.
satyam 29 January 2009
02:22:28 pm
Incidentally on D6 here’s an Abhishek comment from facebook:
“well actually i did record a version of the kala bandar track. wasn’t happy with it so pleaded rakeysh and rahman to retain the original voice which they thankfully did…”
jayshah 29 January 2009
02:33:19 pm
Kala Bander is the song that is being played most my end on the radios. I guess the rap style is one of the main factors.