1. rks
    November 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM

    Julie:”can you please remove my gravataar? I will be changing it. ”

    Julie, login into gravatar site and change it there. I would change automatically here. Use your (Jxxxx_Pxxx) login (NG mail ID).

  2. Kunal
    November 13, 2008 at 12:36 PM

    Ach, problem is not the fact that you dont have any idea what you are talking about, problem is that you refuse to Believe that. The thing you are calling a “track” is called as a hymn, or a prayer. Go and read what you wrtoe “lifted from RDB ‘track'”. Now about dearth of religious prayers, this is Japji Sahib, one of the most important prayers of the religion, this is exactly how every day starts in every Gurudwara. You could have searched the lyrics on google and gotten the idea, even any of us would have explained you, but your whole premise was that it is “lifted” from RDB, that too some musical track. RDB and Rab ne, both showed a morning in Punjab, and this is the prayer which you will hear, always.
    Now about attacking Bachchans and Roshans, you can see how it all started. Awards or no awards, SIK is not a benchmark please. Its not about how much it makes, its about how good it is. Just as Julie mentioned, CDI is the movie to beat, not OSO, no matter how much they made.

    One thing I totally agree with you is that the movie can be total crapfest. Adi has definitely lost it, thats y u see yrf in such dire situation. Ghajini on the other hand is too big, it is tried and tested movie and its BB written all over it.

  3. johnnybrutal
    November 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM

    “some are talking about 100 crores”


  4. Aarkayne
    November 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM

    The sets remind me too much of AAJA NACHLE….and as someone has already said, the small town looks are too stereotypical….i preferred the Bunty aur Babli small town look of AB Jr., however I have some faith remaining in Aditya Chopra’s writing and presenting abilities (yes inspite of MOHABBATEIN)…..so we shall see!

  5. naima
    November 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM

    SRK clears up that Rab ne isn’t about some dance competition. Thankfully.


  6. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM

    Kunal dear – I dont care if a song is a religious prayer or composed for a film … why? I am not a religious person by any means … nor do I believe or in any sort of religion be it Christianity, Islam or any myriad form of Hinduism … that makes me an atheist … but thats hardly any insult to a Gurudwara orany particular community as you wanted to project.

    In fact to religious fanatics (and no dearth of such people anywhere) of any kind, this will be an insult to any community or religion, but i dont give a damn to such bigots or ur projection of what you consider as an insult.

    But the problem with you here is different, right? Say any Sanskrit hymn or Sloka is used in an Aamir critical hit… and then the same lines are repeated in next srk movie … this annoys certain fans if pointed out? Specially when there is no dearth of sanskrit slokas in our scriptures!

    SIK is no benchmark? Are the dorky khan fans not concerned about BO of Rab Ne? We will see once it releases how much they refrain from BO talk … but SIK is still the biggest grosser of this year … by a margin too. So like it or not, it cant be ignored in any BO talk.

  7. Kunal
    November 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM

    Ach my friend, when are you gonna understand that this is not “any hymn” but THE BEGINNING OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB.
    “It is regarded as the most important Bani or ‘set of verses’ by the Sikhs and is recited every morning by all practising faithful of this religion”
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japji_Sahib
    Read more from there to getit right. At the scene of morning in Punjab, there is nothing else which captures the authenticity as much as a Gurudwara and Japji Sahib in the background. RDB did the same, it had a scene of morning where Japji Sahib is being recited in a Gurudwara.

    And BTW Atheism doesn’t mean that you can insult any religion or community, but then inslts are not something you understand very well, I still remember your comment about “Loins of Punjab” which can be seen as a very derogatory comment.

    I know all hunky fans are only considered about BO, thats why you can overlook movies like Krrish and D2, quality wise. But everyone can’t be same as you na?
    We dork fans prefer an effort like CDI or Swades or Dil se than a BO spinner like D2, or Krrish :)

    And BTW, SRK already has a benchmark… OSO, let someone match that first, then he can worry about making another, so till then keep trying with D3456 or Krrrrrrrisssshhhhhhh

  8. Qalandar
    November 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM

    I take it Kunal’s point is that there is no claim to original composition where these verses are concerned (and thus, there can be no charge of “copying”, unless one is blaming the FILM’s director — as opposed to the music director — for having similar sequences to begin with). i.e. if someone intones “Bismillah…” in film X, and someone does the same thing in film Y, there is no musical copying issue (one might separately discuss why the same sort of scene is being used as a “marker” of a Muslim character etc.). In Rab Ne Banadi Jodi the verses from the Granth Sahib seem to me to be used to evoke a certain milieu — i.e. Punjab — and while one can critique it for being stereotypical (i.e. in B’wood, if it’s Punjab it must be Sikh; and evidently Punjabi milieus are represented much more positively than other small-town milieus are; but of course this critique would hardly be specific to this film, although it can be made against this production house), I don’t see any musical plagiarism issue. Rang de Basanti was hardly an innovator in using Sikh rituals/scriptures to evoke “Punjabiness”, and of all people, Yashraj are the last to need any lessons on that front, given the Punjabimania that suffuses the vast majority of their films…

  9. neelu
    November 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM

    “In Rab Ne Banadi Jodi the verses from the Granth Sahib seem to me to be used to evoke a certain milieu — i.e. Punjab”

    Not just that, but in Amritsar – the seat of the Akal Takht, one might expect Ek Omkaar in the morning.

  10. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 14, 2008 at 12:53 AM

    Look Kunal … i can fully understand why you are so keen to defend dorkiness now … Q here has got my point … but unfortunately you are still sticking (and will do so without doubt) on issues of plagiarism or music copy, when I had clearly stated that my point was on stereotyping not copyright issue … which you deliberately want to read as something else and bring in an unneccessary religious angle (insults) to distort it … the word ‘lift’ i used was in hurry to mean something i have clarified later.

    ‘Loins of Punjab’ is a movie that has been discussed in NG. What is derogatory in that? Its just another example of your ignorance.

    As for me I am not aware of any religious rituals of sikhs or any other community (not much of even my community!) … i am most disinterested in such … if thats an insult in your book then its your personal problem … not my responsibility.

    “THE BEGINNING OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB” or the same “important Bani or ’set of verses’ by the Sikhs” is hardly anything but a stereotype when used in every movies to ensure authenticity or even the only way to denote morning in Amritsar or Delhi! While a director gets credit if he was a pioneer in this expression, but if this not stereotype, then what is?

    Same with the Sumo wrestling humor … it was again done in RDB (and maybe other movies too but thats not the point here) … the humor gets lost in repeating the same joke or funny moment.

    In short Adi here has run out of ideas and the promo itself is nothing more than a set of cliched stereotypes. The dork uses a laptop in his office but rides that ancient scooter (CDI anyone?) … also in this age one wonders how many such scooters are still in use when the small-town markets and streets are flooded with more modern vehicles used by a common man for daily use?

    When have I argued for quality in Krish and D2? I have always maintained they lack substance … if you dont read my comments then again its not my problem. But spare me the ridiculous false charges on my opinions!

    PS – As for your point on OSO … it could hardly match up to the D2 bench mark, it did as much after being released one year later. And there is something called inflation.

  11. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 14, 2008 at 1:07 AM

    Sumos are hardly anything common in India but exotic to be precise … and neither was i talking about designer bikes or racing bikes to replace that scooter.

  12. Kunal
    November 14, 2008 at 2:12 AM

    C’mmon Ach, take a stance and stand by it. You started by saying that RNBDJ copied hymns from RDB, now suddenly jumping off to stereotyping stance…
    Anyhow, I can answer that as well. You show a Muslim family and most probably they will greet each other while saying Asalam Alaekum, why? is it stereotyping? nopes, its culture. Shahrukh enters his home after few years and touches the feet of his mother, is it stereotypical? nopes, its culture, similarly, as I have said it time and again, the shot is of morning, and it shows a morning in Punjab, that too a shot of Shri Harminder Sahib, Golden Temple, what you expect you will hear around that area? I have said it time and again, the day starts in Golden Temple or any Gurudwara by Japji Sahib, and thats what is shown over there. Nothing stereotypical or copying, CULTURE.

    And read Q’s comment again, he specified clearly that you can’t blame YRF of all people, to lift something of Punjabi culture from any movie, even RDB as suggested by you here :


    “Sandy – the first part of the background score is lifted from RDB track”
    So I have proved all your accusations wrong, so for revision
    1) Its not a track, its a prayer, that too one of the most important prayer of a culture.
    2) Its not lifted from RDB, its a prayer, not some composition of his highness or anyone.
    3) Its not stereotypical, its a cultural thing, morning in Golden Temple starts exactly the same way everyday…. whether that be RDB, or OSO, or RNBDJ.

    I am not a Sikh myself, neither I am from Punjab, I am from Delhi, but I have some sensibilities to every culture. I do not classify myself as religious or atheist, but a human who can care about someone else’s feelings :)

    About “Loins of Punjab” comment, you were not discussing that movie, it was not that movie thread, it was Rab Ne thread. But I guess I should give you a benefit of doubt, since sense in your humor is lost for some reason, so I don’t hold it against you, you thought it was funny, I think it was a lewd attack on all Punjabis…
    BT, your dork joke is also getting boring now, though I am a loud and proud Drok, still I didn’t like overuse of one word in all your posts, try to get something new next time…

    How about “wannabe”? or DTM, Dork turned mod (Its a variation of BTM, Behenji turned mod, a very popular insult for girls in Delhi colleges), Lend, which again means poser, Local, someone who is kind of an ignorant, and can’t speak proper English to save his life, Loony, Slimy, means disgusting, Zapped, which means fried.

    Use something new every now and then, it will make your posts a bit interesting, though predictable, but still a bit interesting ;)

  13. jayshah
    November 14, 2008 at 4:02 AM

    Better quality promo is up on the yashraj website now…

  14. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 14, 2008 at 5:43 AM

    Kunal – No need to ascertain your dorky status … its just that you are hell bent to take my post out of context because you are irritated at all the dorkiness of the your awaiting flick.

    Firstly, is it that difficult to understand the context of the line you have quoted? It was directed at Sandy as a crude joke that her liking for the background music may be because of the same song that has been used instantly reminds of RDB … its another usual leg pulling which Sandy ignored and did not respond.

    But look at you! You took that up as an insult to Sikhs and Punjabis … because I have claimed it to be a filmy track composed by highness/lowness and my ignorance that it is a start of a morning prayer is a sacrilege! Great logic.

    Rahman composed a Bhajan for JA … was that an insult to Krishna devotees or to any community?

    And I clarified I wanted to point out the same song being used in multiple films to the extent of becoming a stereotype.

    YRF done that before … Does that excuse Adi for clinging on to it?

    And culture cannot be stereotype even by any dorki standard … but yes the cinematic presentation of any culture can be done through stereotypes when the director is running out of ideas. A muslim character’s religion does not need to be established in a film by showing him to do Namaaz (pardon me if I am saying it any wrong way!) … a better director can do it in other ways.

    “Loins of Punjab’ was a movie on a singing/dancing competition … that thread refers to a story about Rab Ne being a story on dancing show/competition … the connection must be very difficult to fathom?

    Lewd attack in this? LOL

    And as for your points:
    1. Any song on an album/record is referred to a track … in a religious record, the same prayer wud technically be no more than a track … and calling it a track hardly refers to whether its filmi/non-filmi or religious.
    2. Yes its not lifted (no copyright/plagiarism issues as I said before) … but the same song was used in RDB score. Coincidence? Must be for SRK fans!
    3. Its a stereotypical cinematic presentation of the culture.

    As for my posts, when did i urge you to read them? :D Its ironical you are replying in large to such uninteresting and predictable posts! Sad.

  15. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 14, 2008 at 7:36 AM

    “But everyone can’t be same as you na?
    We dork fans prefer an effort like CDI or Swades or Dil se than a BO spinner like D2, or Krrish”

    Its difficult for me not to respond at such provocations … its a bit crazy that fans of a certain star who has done around 50 films in his career prefers just three movies … out of which two (Dil Se and Swades) were flops! I must have had a false impression that SRK had fans because some of his more genre stuffs and these 2-3 movies were supposed to be an answer for Aamir’s work? Not that is needed imo, as Aamir does not shy from more gaudy stuffs in a Fanaa or a Ghajini (the open red and blue shirts being the cynosure).

    If there is anything that has made SRK the star he is, its the BO thats been on his side.

    And this overdose of stereotype is an exhibition of quality? LOL. Even if I leave the Dorkiness aside, the other Raj-Rahul avatar is actually more ridiculous in this case … the absurd styling, clothes, expressions, emaciated appearance almost downgrades this film to B-Grade stuffs! Its not just a crude or cheaper version of previous KJO/YRF stereotypes (the budget must have been a reason for this considering the number of flops YRF have these days) … the difference here may be cheap cheese (instead of expensive cheese) and a gimmick of a HM movie.

    As for the soundtrack here or even the dance sequences and the sets … the lesser said the better it is.

    CDI had the privilege of being a HW inspired rare sports-centric movie … but this movie is ‘quality’?

  16. johnnybrutal
    November 14, 2008 at 12:29 PM

    so rnbdj is a b-grade film now? adi and srk will be thanking their stars, deshdrohi is the benchmark for rnbdj!!

    lol, ng is fun when a srk movie nears its release.

  17. neelu
    November 14, 2008 at 12:36 PM

    And Aamir’s cheese becomes gaudy while SRK’s is B-grade. But we cannot all have the stamp of perfection attached to our names – tough luck.

  18. Kunal
    November 14, 2008 at 2:20 PM

    look at you all flipping and flapping over…. Have you played a game where u have to smash the bee with a newspaper….. looks easy but very tough. You are playing a game of musical reasons, after every beat you have a new excuse, copying, stereotyping, joking, or what have u……
    Firecrackers on Diwali is not stereotyping, its culture, Laxmi Pooja on Diwali is not cliched but cultural, the same exact way, Japji Sahib in the morning at Golden Temple is not stereotyping its cultural.
    Again, my point has never been you not knowing something, but accussing all kinds of baseless theories while not knowing anything.

    About Dil Se and Swades being flop, that was exactly the point, we would rather see flops like these than spinners like D2. Let Rab Ne be a Swades, it will give us Mende pleasure. About CDI, it had undercurrents of fight against a sexist society, a lethargic sports governing body, females being taken as stereotypes, family pressure and redemption of a sportsman. Ofc wrapped in all the cliches of any sports flick, but it was not rehashed paycheck, or ET or a kin show flick, but then thats what u prefer and I am so glad that srk didn’t try to woo u.
    About Srk’s clothing, I hate them too, u know what it means? That they are being true to the story, but may be its too hard for u to understand in the midst of all this hate.
    I guess Satyam was spot on that you take these movies as a challenge to your hunk and get his steroid rage in your eyes.
    Relax, no one can challenge the Greek god, bronze statue, the ultimate alpha male, and you can be glad that he is sleeping with every woman he comes across and get that coveted “best sleeping actor” award.
    As for SRK, his fan following is more due to the kind of person he comes across. And aamir has just started doing different movies, SRK has been doing it since he came. Baazigar, Darr, KHKN, Dil Se, Anjaam, even after 2000 he has Asoka, Paheli, Cdi, Swades. Now I am in no mood to dwell no more, but I am so glad that his filmography is nothing like the Greek god.

  19. akshay shah
    akshay shah
    November 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM

    THis trailer isn’t so bad, and I think SRK really has a chance to shine here in a winning role. Ultimately, this is a romance, and Adi seems to be hell bent on wiping out any memories or flashbacks of DDLJ. It certainly does evoke memories of Hrishida’s cinema,and IMO Aditya Chopra guarantees this will be a consistent Yashraj film unlike a lot of the other films that have come out of the stable of late.

    In saying that, My hype for GHAJINI is far far more at this stage followed by CCTC.


  20. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 14, 2008 at 10:41 PM

    Kunal – Its comically tragic that you try desperately to counter comments without understanding anything about those in the first place! … and simply go RED because someone is not saying “SRK is great so Rab Ne is great too”. Hence even a sarcastic ‘Sleeping Award’ is understood as a pro-hrithik argument!

    You dont understand the context, then come up with absurd charges about insults and whatnot, & then when the context is explained … all you can do is make a new charge about ‘change of stance and excuse’ to cover up your goofy interpretations that made you hyperventilate in the first place … LOL … now i really dont mind this last charge, as its evident its the only way you can save your back from utter embarrassment.

    Also about the point on stereotyping cinematic presentation of culture, it is obviously well beyond your understanding … not that one expects anything otherwise from Dorky Khan’s fan brigade. Its usually all about loving SRK and hey what is cinema????

    The disappointment is more evident that Flops like Swades and Dil Se are now the benchmark for Rab Ne in BO terms!

    Anyways, the criticism here was not on ‘why SRK fans will not get pleasure’ but on the lameness of this promo.

    While jokes on it makes fans make nonsensical allegations of insulting a community and blah blah … it seems the only answer for criticisms is bring in reference to Aamir or Hrithik or some other unrelated movies (when I never endorsed a view that Ghajini is a qualitative product!).

    I dont mind if this promo looks ‘classy’ to anyone … but it still looks B-Grade and cheap cheese to me. The styling , clothes or anything in this movie hardly looks authentic to the earlier gimmick of a small town movie about a common man (as was showcased in the first song promo).

  21. neelu
    November 14, 2008 at 10:50 PM

    “Sandy – the first part of the background score is lifted from RDB track”

    That says it all. What is classy and what is cheesy is a matter of taste. And sometimes the cheese has a reason behind it. In fact a revered emperor practicing sword-fighting shirtless outside the zenana is height of cheese for me, but I can see how it would not be for some fans. Again matter of taste. I am willing to give benefit of doubt to Adi and SRK and wait to pronounce judgment until I have seen more. I can understand if others feels the need to immediately strike down the effort.

  22. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM

    Yes definitely Neelu – all movies this year are cheese (the suddenness of this realization is the most striking feature) … but it wud had been relevant discussing the cheesiness of other movies in threads regarding the same … but trying to bring up cheesiness of every other movie out there to defend this terrible promo bares it all.

    And thanks for quoting me … what it says has been explained … but i am enjoying the desperateness, insecurity and the anxiety in trying to interpret it in all possible bogus ways as an answer for Dorky jokes!

    But then its the messenger who gets crucified when the mob loathes the message.

  23. neelu
    November 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM

    Achilles, once a definitive statement is made then explanations are futile. That whole talk of desperateness, insecurity and anxiety of fans etc. seems a little peculiar coming from you, I have been used to seeing it from other quarters. But we live and learn I guess. As for desperateness and dorky jokes – there seems extreme desperation on all sides as the three BIG GUYS get ready to unveil the three biggest films of the year. I am labeling them faux cheese, family cheese, and masala cheese. May the best cheese win. This particular mob is loving the message but NG must stay active at all costs.

  24. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 14, 2008 at 11:44 PM

    Definitive statement? LOL Firstly it was too much of leg pulling on Sandy’s likeness to be made so much of a fuss of by a certain SRK fan … forget anything about definitive statement … unless we have to go by your or Kunal’s definitions (like the lewd attack in the similarity of reported plotline of RNBDJ and that of LOP?)

  25. neelu
    November 15, 2008 at 12:02 AM

    Achilles – I guess you feel compelled to keep this alive, so be it. Then I would suggest you carefully read and decode what Qalandar wrote. What is my definition of anything? Can you please link me to a comment of MINE that illustrates what you are talking about? As for similarity of plotline to anything – since there is no plot known, can we put such comments down to anxiety, desperateness, and insecurity? With that I am out – feel free to have the last word.

  26. Kunal
    November 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM

    Dude, just because I liked Race doesn’t mean I am too dumb to understand your jokes, I did get that sarcastic joke, but you couldn’t get mine.
    Anyhow, I have seen your desperation to call dork, dorky, dorkiness, et al. not just here but anywhere and everywhere on Rab Ne threads…
    I have tried to explain you that it was not a copy, not a stereotype, not a joke, but then again, all futile.
    I know about LOP story, don’t give any useless explanation about how similar their storyline sounded to you, that was one “witty” comment by you, which had anything but wits. I know why and what it was for, then again, no matter how much we argue, you can lie to yourself, to who are we?? :)

    Then again, I have, for so long, adhered to the motto of, “Never argue with a fool, world might not the difference”, and I am sad that I went on for so long, so I concede to you with knees on the ground, white flag in my hands, I surrender.

    Abhi aap batayein, kya hukm hai mere aaka?

  27. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 15, 2008 at 1:18 AM

    LOL Neelu – you quoted a a comment i made two days back … then you say I am keeping this alive?

    As for Kunal I had said before its can be expected he will stick to his misinterpretations till there is no tomorrow … no surprises here.

    I wish he had the basic intelligence to at least follow something he calls his motto … then maybe he wud have come across as not a fool (the same ones he doesnt want to argue with!).

    Anyways its a waste to argue against foolishness for misunderstanding any comments and making ridiculous allegations.

  28. neelu
    November 15, 2008 at 1:30 AM

    “Can you please link me to a comment of MINE that illustrates what you are talking about? ”

    And no response – case closed.

  29. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 15, 2008 at 1:40 AM

    Neelu – I dont have any problem with you in the first place … infact I hardly have anything against any other fan’s love for SRK or their defense against crapiness or dorkiness.

    But when a SRK fan makes baseless imaginative accusations that I have insulted any religion or community – then I am compelled to respond … I never meant to offend Punjabis or Gurudwaras in anyway … and will not take any distortion of this fact from any Kunal or Munal.

    SRK fans love this promo? thats great!

  30. neelu
    November 15, 2008 at 1:42 AM

    “infact I hardly have anything against any other fan’s love for SRK or their defense against crapiness or dorkiness.”

    ROFL! I should say that that would be an indefensible position for fans of certain stars to take. Koi Mil Gaya anyone?

  31. A C H I L L E S
    A C H I L L E S
    November 15, 2008 at 2:08 AM

    ^^ And I have to take the blame for keeping this thread alive? LOL

  32. neelu
    November 15, 2008 at 2:16 AM

    If the glove fits we can’t acquit!

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