Youth arrested for sending threat messages to Bachchan Youth arrested for sending threat messages to Bachchan
youth was on Monday arrested in Rajasthan for allegedly sending threatening SMSs to Bollywood actor Amitabh Bachchan demanding Rs 25 crore and a role in movies.
Devi Singh Rajpurohit, 25, was arrested from Jalore by Mumbai Crime Branch officials on the charge of sending a threatening message to Bachchan on September 26 demanding Rs 25 crores.
In the SMS, Rajpurohit had told Bachchan that he had only three days to live if he failed to pay him the money, Joint Commissioner of Police (Crime) Rakesh Maria said.
Rajpurohit has told the police that he had shot for some scenes of the soon-to-be released movie Drona as a duplicate for Abhishek Bachchan. According to Rajpurohit, many of his villagers had told him that he resembled Abhishek and that he should start acting in movies, Maria said.
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Q: There are 4-5 comments on vantage Point in old thread. It was just OK for me. 
Goodfella: LOL!!!! 
Yeah I have. I wanted to blow myself up five or six times afterwards. 
YAAAAY!
Hope we see a "What I Found Interesting in 2008" thread too.
Random: has anyone seen Vantage Point? 
Comment by Rocky on 29 September 2008:
This is the Unfortunate and diturbing news Amitabh was talking about on his blog.
Comment by Rocky on 29 September 2008:
disturbing!
Comment by Rocky on 29 September 2008:
RKS- how do you like my intro? I hope it passes the moderation. LOL
Comment by rks on 29 September 2008:
LOL Rocky. I am sure, not many would object @NG but your wife sure would.
My sensitivity allows for this comment but if girls object then probably you might want to moderate it
Sahab?
ps: Only thing common with you is Films
Comment by Rocky on 29 September 2008:
LOL !
Sahab = Sahib
but rhymes with Amitabh hence used.
Comment by Rocky on 29 September 2008:
RKS- My wife was so happy that Karwa chauth was falling on Saturday, but yesterday it was announced at our temple that it would be on Friday. She is pissed !
Comment by rks on 29 September 2008:
Jaise hi koi festival aata hai, I get scared. I need to buy something
Comment by Rocky on 29 September 2008:
Tell me about it !
Chalo Bhaiyya Main to Chala gift khareedne !! LOL
Later
Comment by rks on 29 September 2008:
Some more blasts in Gujrat and Maharastra. This has become some routine.
Comment by satyam on 29 September 2008:
This stuff is really spiraling out of control..
Comment by Qalandar on 29 September 2008:
This is f**ked up. I do not remember a terror wave like this ever in the country. The modus operandi for the Mehrauli, Malegaon and Gujarat ones today seems to be very similar.
Comment by Qalandar on 29 September 2008:
Sorry rks — zara aape se baahir ho gaya.
Comment by abhishekr on 29 September 2008:
Dekh kar achha laga aap bhi aape se baahar hote hain
Comment by rks on 29 September 2008:
Q: All these attacks and Govt.’s inability to stop it, is strengthening the case of ‘Right’, for a law similar to POTA. I am not sure it would solve the problems with so much of chasm (between rich and poor), illiteracy and porous borders; People do these stuff for even smallest incitements/gains/encoragements.
Comment by rks on 29 September 2008:
Q: Rocky has adapted himself. He puts the stars himself
Comment by Qalandar on 29 September 2008:
Agreed rks — no question what the national mood is. Even the journalists aren’t asking the right questions but expressing frustration at ministers they find in their studios (as well they should, but they also contribute to a knee-jerk climate; I heard an interview on CNN-IBN where the journalist kept going on and on in this way)…
Comment by Qalandar on 6 October 2008:
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20081006&fname=Cover+Story&sid=1
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20080929&fname=ajaisahni&sid=1
Comment by Qalandar on 6 October 2008:
Interesting poll results here:
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20081006&fname=Cover+Story&sid=5
Comment by rockstar on 6 October 2008:
q: there was a poll in india today to i guess i guess % was more(75 i think) who where asking for ban
weak lifeline of indian politics is exposed here bjp is busy protecting his sister organization and congress is not acting fearing potical backlash and a******s are allowed to be on rampage
Comment by rks on 6 October 2008:
Q: Wanted to write something in other thread few days back.
The way I see Bajrang Dal/VHP is something between nuisance and actual terrorism. They do terrorize people of other community in particular region. For some they are terrorist (missionaries and muslim organizations) but for Indian state I would say they are Goonda elements. So when a media outlet/personality (Mahesh Bhatt did it few days back)starts equating them with SIMI-IM is inherently wrong (SIMI-IM tries to terrorize general population - the key difference). I am not saying what BD is doing is not against constuition but ‘end goal’ is not same as SIMI-IM and IMO can not be equated.
Comment by Qalandar on 6 October 2008:
RKS: they are “terrorists” not just for Muslim “organizations” but for ordinary Muslims also. The role played by these outfits in violence against ordinary people with no tie to any organization over the years is such that ordinary people are greatly afraid of them.
Your wider point holds if you believe that organizations that wage war against the STATE are “worse” than those who wage war against certain of the state’s CITIZENS. The Naxalites are a classic instance of the former as I see it; the Bajrang Dal and VHP are a classic instance of the latter. [Perhaps your point was that they are not "better" or "worse" but that they are "different", which is a pretty fair point.]
Let me add that I will also add the point Nehru had made in the decades ago, that the risk we run is that while the communalism of the minority is recognized as communalism, that of the majority runs the risk of being construed as nationalism. Stated differently, I do not believe that Muslims are any less communal than anyone else, but I do believe that it is very difficult for a Muslim’s communalism to be “hidden” in the garb of anything else. I think that point can be mapped to the distinctiion between SIMI and Bajrang Dal as well.
SPOILER ALERT
[BTW, Vikram Chandra's superb novel "Sacred Games" ilustrates how the worlds of the SIMIs, the Bajrang Dals etc. can intersect and "cross over"]
Comment by rks on 6 October 2008:
Q: My comment in the context was that voice of citizen is not heard until it is in form of some organization. I know a ordinary Muslim is also afraid of BD. When NCP (Sharad Pawar) says that BD is a terrorist organization, then media prints it. Unattached Muslim citizens have been saying this for probably longer period.
ps: I will bring the point Satyam said in other thread regarding movies, we are increasingly seeing things as black and white, not in between.
Comment by rks on 6 October 2008:
“how the worlds of the SIMIs, the Bajrang Dals etc. can intersect and “cross over”"
That is a possibility. If the spectrum is circular instead of straight line as we assuming.
Comment by Qalandar on 6 October 2008:
Re: “My comment in the context was that voice of citizen is not heard until it is in form of some organization. … When NCP (Sharad Pawar) says that BD is a terrorist organization, then media prints it. Unattached Muslim citizens have been saying this for probably longer period.”
Ah, thanks for the clarification, that makes sense. In fact I (sadly) agree with this
Re: “we are increasingly seeing things as black and white, not in between.”
I don’t know if we are increasingly seeing it this way, but it is unquestionably a problem, a practical one as well as a philosophical challenge to the idea of political community. The corporatization of the media has greatly contributed to this: in so many stories, even reputed channels like CNN-IBN will not even bother to have someone on air to present a different take. For instance, when Amar Singh visited the Jamia Millia university, CNN-IBN announced that he was defending the chancellor’s decision to extend legal aid to the accused “to shore uo Samajwadi’s vote bank”. Do I believe that? Absolutely. But it is disturbing that they didn’t even bother to have a single person (e.g. a lawyer, etc.) come on air to defend the IDEA that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, or the IDEA of legal aid. Similarly, on the Orissa violence they did not bother to even have anyone speaking on Dalit-Adivasi tensions that underlay the Christian-Hindu tension. I have deliberately chosen two examples from right/left (although there is nothing inherently right or left about these), to illustrate the point that this is the result not of ideological bias but of the desire to produce a news that consumable and geared toward the pre-existing beliefs and prejudices of the core urban middle-class audience. It is not bad if skepticism of politicians is being promoted, but what ends up happening is that the notion that there is no such thing as ideology is promoted, that skepticism about the ideas that underlie politics (i.e. the notion that any idea at all is at stake) is also promoted.
On a different note, perhaps the “state-centrism” of the Indian media is also implicated: i.e. the coverage is only of politicians (e.g. Amar Singh at Jamia; etc.), and there is hardly any coverage of the other aspects that make up a polity: “civil society”, other groups, etc.
Comment by Qalandar on 6 October 2008:
Aside: shocking levels of violence in Assam; it’s appalling that it doesn’t seem to register in the national consciousness if it happens in the NE! CNN-IBN are reporting up to 70,000 displaced!
Comment by rks on 6 October 2008:
Q: That is my problem with present India. We are wasting so much of our energies in fighting each other that we are cutting into each others’ constructive efforts. Some level of conflict is good for any form of organization, but not excessive(Morgan,Images of Organization).
Comment by beld on 6 October 2008:
Rks - I detect an idealism in your views. Q - very eloquent points. I don’t know the history of why organizations like bd are formed but I see this as the perfect manifestation of the chicken and egg problem. I blame the congress for unnecessarily vitiating the atmosphere with decades of minority vote targeted politics. It resulted in reaction that is harsher than necessary. Now we have the militant faction of both rearing its ugly head - whereas the moderate faction which needs to be heard is rendered silent. This will need statesmanship to resolve. Unfortunately in india other than a nehru or a vajpayee - we have probably had a few good managers but not enough statesmen…
Comment by rockstar on 6 October 2008:
“On a different note, perhaps the “state-centrism” of the Indian media is also implicated: i.e. the coverage is only of politicians (e.g. Amar Singh at Jamia; etc.), and there is hardly any coverage of the other aspects that make up a polity: “civil society”, other groups, etc”
agree entirely q if at all will add media has blutantly ignored what is happening in singh’s constituency azamgarh rather than preaching others he should first keep his house on check
Comment by rks on 7 October 2008:
Sharma family snubs Singh: Against our self-respect to react
Comment by rks on 7 October 2008:
Union cabinet to discuss Bajrang Dal ban today
Comment by rks on 12 October 2008:
SIMI, Bajrang Dal are dangerous: NSA
Ban against Bajrang Dal can’t be sustained: NSA
Comment by Qalandar on 12 October 2008:
It’s pretty shameful no one has the guts to ban these lumpen thugs. Nor is it the first time: we have learned no lessons from allowing the likes of hoodlums to run wild and become “normal” pillars of the political establishment (think of the Shiv Sena). The result is that everyone has an incentive to practise this sort of politics; plus it contributes to a general atmosphere of toxic cynicism: todays thug becomes tomorrow’s “controversial” leader, who in term becomes “hawkish” a few days down the road, then a “strong man” and a “bold” leader, and the process of normalization is complete. The damage to the body politic from hypocrisy is never taken into account.
Comment by Rocky on 13 October 2008:
The case against banning outfits
Link
Comment by rks on 13 October 2008:
“The Indian police, alas, have such a bad image that even when one of their officers dies in an encounter, there are those who charge them with killing their own man.”
Comment by Rocky on 13 October 2008:
RKS- She gets it right when she says-
The only thing that worries me is the circumstances under which the demand for banning the Bajrang Dal is being made. The politicians who currently demand the ban do so in the context of our problems with jihadi terrorism. These ‘secular’ gentlemen appear to believe that it is not possible to ban SIMI and other groups spreading Islamist ideology in our idol-worshipping land unless we make some kind of Hindu sacrifice
Comment by Rocky on 13 October 2008:
Mind It-
Not a single comment on NG on the legal aid being given by Jamia .
Comment by rks on 13 October 2008:
Rocky: Aap kisse kya vaktavya lena chahte hain
?
Q, is bz with campaign and is unlikely to post any political views due to his position.
Comment by Rocky on 13 October 2008:
RKS- I did not have Q in mind, I liked his response to Arundhiti a lot.
Don’t Mind It !
LOL!
Comment by rks on 13 October 2008:
Rocky: There is nothing wrong in providing legal Aid to accused but it should have come from Government (as normal process) instead of University. University’s main function is to teach. Here it looks like University is convinced of the accused innocence and helping them. IMO it is more of Congress’s tactics to placate Muslim community and SP.
Comment by beld on 13 October 2008:
this is frigging amar singh at his worst. dont these guys think of the country at all. what will a few votes buy them that they already dont have
Comment by Kunal on 13 October 2008:
Some very interesting points here.
What worries me more than anything like terrorists attacks, or BD or anything is that a huge part of India is really pissed off.
When you see Doctors and Engineers blowing people all around then you know its not for money or little gain they are doing it. When you see an engineer not caring about his comforts, reputation and even family’s reputation for spreading terrorism, it means something really serious is out there in the society.
This problem should have been addressed day before yesterday, but even now this political honchos are busy playing their own game. I do not know how many of you noticed, but when CNN-IBN was reporting ins. Manoj Sharma’s death from Jamia Nagar, saying that he was killed in an encounter with the terrorists, some kid standing behind shouted “They were not terrorists”.
Only people who can solve the problem are people like Togadia, Bukhari, Thackereys sitting together and ironing out differences.
They blame Gujrat riots for the bombins, Gujratis blame Godhra for riots, this blames that that blames this, and in the end people curse Gandhi.
For India its becoming increasingly tough to defend its integrity, secular status and even identity.
Great point by rks about Jamia university trying to provide legal aid to the accused, but question is if it is to appease Cong. SP or just because the accused are Muslims?
But where does it starts from? minority schools provide reservations to students of their religion, their culture. Then there are all sorts of reservation, in the end a general category student is just left with frustrations and hate for certain community members.
I would also disagree with Nehru’s statement:
that the risk we run is that while the communalism of the minority is recognized as communalism, that of the majority runs the risk of being construed as nationalism.
Is it true?
Just to prove ourselves secular and just, we have to appease minorities.
For example, recent increase in quota. What was that if not a ploy to appease minority? And minority are as communal and as racist as anyone out there. Why seats reserved in colleges for certain community?
Comment by rks on 13 October 2008:
There is some interesting politics going on between Mayawati and Sonia wrt Train Coach Factory.
Comment by rks on 13 October 2008:
UPA, NDA clash at meet on integration
These leaders are suppose to work for integeration.
Comment by Qalandar on 26 October 2008:
Interesting discussion here, been too busy to catch up with NG of late… or even with the news, but did catch the recent developments in Maharashtra with the arrests in connection with several of the bomb blasts in recent months.
SPOILER ALERT
From the recent news reports, it seems Vikram Chandra was quite perceptive and prescient in Sacred Games (right down to the retired military men training extremist groups)…he really “captures” the scene very well in many many ways…
More after November 4…just 9 more days till the election!!!
Comment by Qalandar on 26 October 2008:
RKS: agree re: who should have provided aid (although that might have been politically difficult for the Congress). And the university point of view that everyone is entitled to a defense also seems a bit spurious: surely they do not provide aid to a student accused of rape/murder/theft do they? The odd result is that the ONLY people for whom they seem to be doing this are these partcular defendants.