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1. 

   Comment by Eire on 16 May 2008:

   Brilliant pix. Great looking couple.
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   Comment by Achilles on 16 May 2008:

   Ash looking sexy … why does abhi look so ugly n horrible? maybe its the contrast!
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   Comment by rks on 16 May 2008:

   May be I am too much of a conservative or my double standards?
   Isn’t that a too much of cleavage for an Indian celebrity? Probably it an accepted norm?
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   Comment by Achilles on 16 May 2008:

   With abhi’s constipated presence … the cleavage is what is the worth of these repeatitive pics of the bachchan-bhakt!
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   Comment by Ravi on 16 May 2008:

   Rks, when we have an actor’s wife showing of her assets on “Vogue” , what else can the poor actresses do, other than show of theirs?
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   Comment by Achilles on 16 May 2008:

   whats this compared to her scenes in her last hollywood movie?
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   Comment by Tuenkens on 16 May 2008:

   The Devil Wears….Armani? What’s with the perky brow btw? It doesn’t seem to have relaxed the whole day…
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   Comment by NyKavi on 16 May 2008:

   IMO, the perky brow is the only blemish in that Perfect Face. She never seems to know how to control it. Gives her the “evil sisterinlaw” look that u see TV actresses ham up in desi soaps.
   Ashley Judd too has such eyebrow issues, but recently she seems to have surgically fixed em.
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   Comment by Simply Som on 16 May 2008:

   Not liking Aish here at all. she is looking horrible in these pics.ostentatious would be the right word for her.
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    Comment by Qalandar on 16 May 2008:

    Aishwariya never looks horrible som — kabhi kabhi gunehgaaron ki aankhen Maalik ke jalve dekhne laaiq nahin hoteen.
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    Comment by Simply Som on 16 May 2008:

    Q: Aish has looked much much much better at some events post her marriage.Cannes has always been not the right place for her IMO,neither she nor the outfit she wears looks good on her.
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    Comment by Julie on 16 May 2008:

    Bad pictures.
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    Comment by Julie on 16 May 2008:

    Abhsihek has to me never been conventionally good looking, but never that bad too. In these pics he looks plain simple bad and Aish looks too made up. The first set of pictures of Aish were good though.
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    Ravi: “Rks, when we have an actor’s wife showing of her assets on “Vogue” , what else can the poor actresses do, other than show of theirs?”

    Hohohohoho

    Now who follows who????
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    Comment by Ravi on 17 May 2008:

    As hubby has a tendency of following others, Missus maybe wants be a trend setter by stripping and having others follow her!!!
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    Ravi: “As hubby has a tendency of following others, Missus maybe wants be a trend setter by stripping and having others follow her!!!”

    Oh man I thought you were a bachchan fan, then why to blast Abhishek to copy his father man??? he was not getting any success being himself, thats why he had to do it. And then bashing Aishwarya for BnB, Shabd, Dhoom, why man??? atleast after giving a full blown bed scene she realized her mistake and said “no” to bond movie, and after kissing Chandrchur Singh, Vivek Oberoi and Sanjay Dutt she understood the gravity of the situation to “refuse” Troy.

    Don’t be that mean to the sweet couple man, look at them… they look “ah so adorable”
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    Comment by Kanwal on 17 May 2008:

    I feel bad for girls/women. They have to do make up etc every time. I have never given a damn how i look. yes i do feel sorry for aishwarya and co.
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    Comment by Achilles on 17 May 2008:

    I dont mind gals/women dressing up … specially in such attires … i love this ‘bitchy’ look of Ash … looks more like an escort here than a wife.
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    Comment by satyam on 17 May 2008:

    As usual complete tastelessness on the part of Achilles. I actually don’t mind all the juvenile stuff on the Bachchans or especially Abhishek. Juvenilia never offends me even if the lowers the level of the forum (some of it is expected close to the Sarkar release from the usual crowd anyway! though Achilles can be schizoid, sometimes calling this another Guru moment for him sometimes this!). But what does is this kind remark directed against Ash which displays the worst kind of sexism, the most regressive kinds of social attitudes (not that I expected any better, certain members here cover the gamut between sexism, racism, all kinds of regressive attitudes, and last but not least just plain crassness). So I find this offensive on the latter grounds. And again I am not surprised I have seen such politics being played out ever since she got married to Abhishek. I just object to it as I always will on this forum and if this keeps continuing my objections will also get stronger.

    I will ignore all the juvenilia. Call Abhishek a monkey or whatever if that pleases one. I don’t think these members are paragons of enlightenment anyway. But I will not stands certain forms of discourse which are plain garbage. If someone wants to be a racist or a sexist or regressive in matters of sexuality and so forth I will call him and her on this forum and in the most brutal ways. I can’t stop anyone from making these statements. But no one will be able to stop me either.
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    I don’t know Satyam if your comments are directed towards me. TBH even I feel sorry for writing in such a way, but that was just a reply to Ravi.

    Rks asked a simple question, if you think that this kind of cleavage goes with Indian sensibilities, the question was clearly harmless, yes or no types. But Ravi brought in some other people, who were not all relevent over here. And it were his comments which really caused me to stoop so low.

    I know hitting on any woman’s dignity is never a thing which a “Man” should be involved in. And likings or no likings, we can atleast rtespect others. So if my comments caused any kind of uncomfortable vibes to you or any one else, then I really am sorry for that.
21. 

    Comment by ILG on 17 May 2008:

    Agree. Thats disgusting even according to the low standards of the usual douche nozzle turd nuggets.
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    Comment by Achilles on 17 May 2008:

    Bhakts displaying the usual bhakti with a bit a name calling for a change…but thats hardly unexpected from fanatics.

    Bhakt - go n write for the propagandist IBOS or the bachchan tamasha blog … ideal places for u!
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    ^^^^^
    The only problem is that you guys cry foul when bachchans are attacked, else everything runs fine and smooth for you.
    Saying Gauri strips is a perfectly normal statement whereas question on Aish’s cleavage marks us “douche nozzle turd nuggets”.

    Cut that double-effin-standards if you want to advice someone else.
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    Comment by satyam on 17 May 2008:

    First off Kunal my statements were not directed towards you. Secondly I haven’t seen such a statement on Gauri. Even if there was one at some point I missed it. On Ash there’s such stuff all the time. And it is done for a very particular reason. As for crying foul only when the Bachchans are attacked my point precisely is that no one else is attacked in this way! Aamir indulged in a joke about SRK (where most of us agreed he shouldn’t have done this) and it became news in the media. But a hundred times every week such sneers are directed against the Bachchans.

    But I will quote ILG here. I think SRK fans sometimes play the game of pretending to be naive on these matters!
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    Satyam as such first rule of commenting is reading the stuff posted before you.

    Here is the statement:
    “As hubby has a tendency of following others, Missus maybe wants be a trend setter by stripping and having others follow her!!!”

    Now Satyam, as such even I don’t have anything against you, and I believe you that you missed the post and you have as much respect for Gauri as for Aish, but then would you disagree that when Aish is attacked everyone gets rattled over here, whereas Gauri or anyone else’s respect and dignity, don’t matter to the most.

    In the light of comments posted above, you tell me who is being pretentious and who is being naive here?

    And don’t post ILG dude, as most of the time his comments are crass enough to not to be included in as exemplary posts as your own.
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    Comment by Ravi on 17 May 2008:

    Just got back and saw all this Tamasha created by the upholder of women’s dignity aka “Kunal27″.

    Maybe if you misunderstood,but what I meant to say was now a days it has become very common for everyone to pose for “Maxim” and “Vogue” with cleavage show and someone who is not even connected as far as acting goes, did the same for Vogue.

    So, this has become common place was my point and it was like more a ” a tongue in the cheek” comment , then lo and behold here comes the upholder of “Gauri’s” dignity.

    The above was for my first comment and then the next comment was just in response to yours.
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    Comment by satyam on 17 May 2008:

    Kunal, I hadn’t seen that earlier. If I had I would’ve objected to it. No one gets more rattled with Ash. This is blatantly untrue. The reason you see more reaction is that because a LOT more is said about Ash. It’s hard to miss it! Would you like me to dig up the statements here?! The statement on Gauri yoy’ve referenced must have been the only such statement in the history of NG! I think it’s disingenuous to suggest that people get more rattled about the Bachchans. There is a lot more said about the Bachchans than all the other stars combined. And I am not referring to criticism here, that’s legit. I am talking about such crassy remarks that tell us more about those making them than about those who are the target of such. If someone were just critical of the Bachchans I would have no issue. I’ve had exchanges with the matrix (SB) along similar lines. But I just don’t find the claim very honest that only the Bachchan remarks offend those on NG. Or else one has not been on NG long enough. So I think we can have an honest debate but let’s not suggest that one remark on Gauri is the same as all those remarks on Ash. Or on Abhishek. Or on Bachchan.

    Incidentally it’s not just about juvenile remarks here. It’s about a disgusting kind of sexual politics that has been practised by some here as a way of getting ‘at’ Abhishek or Abhishek fans by continually referencing Ash in these derogatory ways. It’s the politics I address more than anything else.

    Much as recently when someone suggested that Abhishek looked “dirty” and “unhygienic” like a “rikshawala” it was the latter I objected to. The idea that rikshawalas represent those qualities.

    I think all of this is fairly clear. I don’t believe there’s any confusion about all of this.

    If it were upto me I would actually issue a few warnings and then really rescind the membership of those who practised such on the forum.

    If people want to be serious about the quality of a forum hard steps have to be taken. Banning and unbanning people a dozen times doesn’t get the job done. There should be a minimal ‘code’ in terms of language. Let’s be sensitive to the fact that there are women on the forum and other women who visit the forum. Shouldn’t there be some minimal decency? I am not being a prude here. We all indulge in off color jokes and so on from time to time. But the kind of crassness Achilles has indulged in here (and is totally par for the course for him and some others like him) is also very problematic on gender grounds.

    If you’ve been following this forum long enough you ought to know what’s going on. Let’s be honest about it!
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    Comment by satyam on 17 May 2008:

    Ok I now see that Ravi made that statement in this very thread. Well Ravi is one of the mildest and least controversial members on the forum. He is allowed his ‘moments’ as all of us are. This is far from the norm from him. If Ravi had said something similar about Ash I wouldn’t have thought much about it. Just as the other day Akshay said something about SRK, the SRK fans were up in arms, I didn’t find it particularly bad, but specially since Akshay is again one of the nicest guys here. So context is also important. With Achilles the context precisely is that he engages in such crassness 24/7! By the way precisely because I draw a line on questions of politics that I did not respond to his constant remarks that Abhi looked ‘constipated’ and what not. I might find all those remarks coming from the mind of a child (men often mistake an increase in height for maturity) much like the likening of Abhishek to a monkey and what not but I don’t object to them beyond suggesting that these lower the quality of the forum. At one point especially this would happen ALL the time (evidently Kunal has missed this too!). So it’s context, it’s about how much a person indulges in such, so on and so forth.

    Ravi rarely says such things. To equate his remark with that of Achilles is ridiculous and if one has been following the forum long enough also dishonest.

    Ravi is nothing but a benefit to this forum. I know he’s friendly with Achilles but I think it degrades Ravi to even mention him in the same breath as the latter.

    Now note how some will object to these statements. ‘hey don’t say that about a member’ blah blah blah.. well one exhibit refinement to deserve such from others.
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    Comment by Kanwal on 17 May 2008:

    Good job guys , just spent 15 minutes reading the interesting thoughts.Good saturday timepass.Bring some more topics.NG is too boring nowadays.
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    First off, Ravi, dude I know you are a very nice guy, I, myself, am no flag bearer of women dignity or mahila mukti morcha. I totally understand that your comment was just a light hearted dig, and this is the biggest reason I like talking with you, because you are quick witted, funny and extremely sporting.

    I thought that Satyam referred to my comments hence I had to explain what happened. Nothing more nothing less. I will always enjoy having funny one-twos with you, hope you do the same.

    My only problem is with people who come blazing all guns when the “holier than thou” family is questioned and remain in the shell when others are being degraded all across. And no over here I do not mean Satyam by any strech of imagination, he is as fine bloke as anyone can be.

    Satyam: “If people want to be serious about the quality of a forum hard steps have to be taken. Banning and unbanning people a dozen times doesn’t get the job done. There should be a minimal ‘code’ in terms of language. Let’s be sensitive to the fact that there are women on the forum and other women who visit the forum. Shouldn’t there be some minimal decency?”

    I totally second your opinion that we should be having better behavior and mannerism over here, in NG as well as in SB. Agreeing or not agreeing with each other, the least we could do is respect each other, or at the very least refrain from exchanging various questionable pleasantries.

    And again Satyam, you are saying that Ravi can be excused, I say Ravi did no harm, his comments were totally ok with me atleast, though I found that striping comment a bit over the fence but still knowing him, I know its nothing. My whole “paranoia” is about people jumping their ships when a particular set of fans of people are attacked.

    If you can unearth various places where Ash was degraded, even I can mention quite a few places where Shahrukh fans and him and his friends were rediculed for the heck of it.

    I believe in your logic that stricter terms and conditions could and should be applied in the forums, and more than that may be self regulation has to be observed by the members.

    Sad part is that not only celebrities but even members are attacked more often than not, you can see ramblings on the SB whole day and now even girls are not spared by some of the not so mature people.

    Things can get better if everyone cuts down the double standards not just you and me but everyone.
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    And BTW Satyam, it was me who said that Abhishek looks constipated, and I stand by that. He does look awfully nervous in the pics.
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    Comment by Myna on 17 May 2008:

    Kunal:”My only problem is with people who come blazing all guns when the “holier than thou” family is questioned and remain in the shell when others are being degraded all across.”

    I made an exactly similar statement 2 weeks back in this thread — http://www.naachgaana.com/2008/05/08/surya-in-a-new-avataar/

    “If you can unearth various places where Ash was degraded, even I can mention quite a few places where Shahrukh fans and him and his friends were rediculed for the heck of it.”

    The difference here is Ash is a celebrity and Srk fans are members here. But then, few can easily get away by calling names and making personal comments abt certain group of members - you see no objections there from the so called civil members. When it comes to Ash or any bachchan….the persons who made the comments are labelled as…well..this thread is just one more proof!!!!

    “Things can get better if everyone cuts down the double standards not just you and me but everyone.”

    well said Kunal.
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    Comment by satyam on 17 May 2008:

    No double standards Kunal. I didn’t know you had made the same comment. Achilles is the one who usually does it regularly. Again it’s about context. But again I think you are only ‘pretending’ to see double standards where none exist. SRK is criticized a lot of time (by my for example on very substantive grounds). I have never for example said he looks ‘constipated’ (even if I’ve always found him tentative and not very relaxed in interviews and so forth). Because such a term is not useful. It is non-serious and meant as an insult. But this is also NOT what I’m objecting to. I am objecting to racist, sexist, et al humor that reeks of the regressive. That’s one thing. On the other hand if the ‘constipated’ kind of comment is made a 100 times a day it ruins the quality of the forum. So there are two separate issues here. Abhishek is simply the most attacked and the most ridiculed person on this forum. It’s not even close. Anyone who disagrees is either being disingenuous or started following the forum yesterday. There is simply no comparison. But the interesting correlation here is that folks here who even have a mild liking for Abhishek are much less likely to engage in such regressive talk! LOL! Which is why it doesn’t happen.

    Now of course one must define what an ‘insult’ is. For some suggesting SRK looks haggard these days or that Hrithik looks plastic is a personal insult. This kind of proper criticism is then juxtaposed with ‘Abhishek looks like a monkey’, ‘he cannot impregnate Ash’, ‘he looks constipated’ so on and so forth and the pretense is that we’re talking about the same thing. We’re not! By any stretch!

    In any case I have explained my position. I don’t see the slightest double standard here. In any case I have not even gone after you here so not sure what your objection is. But I reserve the right as a member here to come down strong on someone who indulges in certain kinds of ridicule and especially when its directed against women. It’s as simple as that. Those who indulge in this take their chances with me. And the double standards talk is hardly going to persuade me. I know very well who follows what kinds of standards here.
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    Satyam no offense man, but most of the time Abhishek is attacked because of you. Now I know it sounds lame, but then more often than not its a way of certain folks over here to confront you by cursing Bachchans in general not just Abhishek, Aishwarya or Amitabh.

    I agree that Bachchans are more attacked over here than all others combine, but why I am talking about double standards over here is that people who make all hues and cries of Aish being insulted keep mum when others are remarked in similar fashion.

    Now it doesn’t matter if Aish is cursed 100 times and Shahrukh 10, if you are against cursing these people, then be consistent and raise your voice on all these occasions.

    And TBH Satyam I don’t even care about insults to Shahrukh, Ashwarya or even Gauri here, the situation is often going out of hands, and members don’t mind cursing fellow membrs for people who don’t even we exist. Just the other day one of SB regular was throwing utmost disgraceful comments on Myna, and the very same guy raises hell when say something about Bachchans. Thats the sort of double standards I am talking about.

    Now I said Abhishek looks constipated, is a comment, I don’t know how you can equate itr to isults thrown at Shahrukh all day. Now for a moment forget about Shahrukh and Abhishek, tell me how your fellow mature friends term Shahrukh fans??? fellow members of the board…. “translate this for Shahrukh fans in Hindi”, “I think SRK fans sometimes play the game of pretending to be naive on these matters!”, I guess the game of pretensions is played best by the people who make these remarks.

    And now I know that you have not commented upon me, and even i have made it clear beforehand that my comments are not on you, but neither me nor you can turn a blind eye towards the not so likable comments by people over here.
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    Comment by Ravi on 17 May 2008:

    Just got back from watching “Narnia” with the kids. Liked the first one lot better , this one was lot slower and took a long time to develop, but still worth a watch with the kids.

    Kunal bro, apologies from my side to you and to everyone else, could not resist making a “tongue in cheek comment” and if it hurt anyone’s feelings sorry, that was not the intention.

    Not sure had a feeling on the Surya thread and now in this thread that Myna’s comments were directed at me, so what can I do , other than refrain from saying any thing, “Enthanna maa teliginti adapaduchu kada”.
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 17 May 2008:

    Ravi you are all straight dude. Neither Myna had any problems with your comment on that day nor I have any with you. We ask questions to those people who blaze their guns when Ash is ridiculed.

    I know you are not the one, your comments are always in the light hearted manner, in the moment. And always are funny.

    I would rather read your comments on NG than most of the useless crap.
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    Comment by Simply Som on 17 May 2008:

    I have always felt when Aish goes to make her presence felt at some international film events like Cannes, she appears very splurgy, someone who is trying to burlesque the western actresses in terms of her look,wardrobe,the mannersims and even the ascent,someone who desperately wants the westerners to take notice of her which in a way falls flat as it doesn’t appear to be unfeigned and unadulterated.I just feel the way Aish comes across at Cannes is not her in “real”.
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    Comment by Achilles on 17 May 2008:

    Good observations Som … u missed the word ‘plastic’ … n yes her bawdy imitations of the likes of Hollywood actresses is too conspicuous unless one is submerged with Bachchan-Bhakti!

    As for Abhishek, he is neither plastic/elastic … just a pale dumb/borng shadow of his Dad.
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    Comment by Myna on 17 May 2008:

    Ravi, My comments are not directed at you at all. I dont have any problem if someone curses a celebrity..be it Srk, Ash, Abhishek or even Hrithik. I might disagree with them but I definitely wont pass any judgement on the person who made the comments. After all they are celebrities and not my friends, neighbors or relatives. The only point I raised is few ppl have objections only when Ash or Bachchans are involved. Otherwise one will not mind even if members are being insulted.
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    Comment by Simply Som on 17 May 2008:

    agree with what Ravi bhai said about Gauri. even I felt that was absolutely unnecessary on the part of her to pose for Vogue, unless she has some serious emulation to carve a niche in the Witchery field of glamour and fame.
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    Comment by satyam on 17 May 2008:

    Kunal: Oh I am well aware that a lot of times the Bachchans are attacked to attack me. But of course the question that arises is: why do they want to attack me in the first place? Precisely because they don’t like what I say on their favorite stars. Why don’t they like it? Because they see at least an iota of truth in it! In other words it’s precisely the opposite of what these folks pretend. They don’t attack me because they think I ‘lie’ or I am totally ‘biased’ but because they know I am making plausible claims most of the time. You know if I just said all day that (for example) Abhishek is the greatest actor in the world, hyperbolic and perhaps even insane as the claim is, it wouldn’t offend as much! But the far more modest claim that I make does offend precisely because I ‘explain’ it and this explanation rankles. So Satyam’s sin is that he dares to tell the truth!

    But again I am aware of these dynamics. Much as people who attack Abhishek are almost always secretly attacking Bachchan. The thing with the latter is that you cannot argue against his history so he’s not a soft target. But you can make it up with Abhishek. Or for that matter those who surround Abhishek. Some here have a favorite passtime of always attacking RGV or Amar Singh or Abhishek. Pretty much everyone who’s closely attached to Bachchan!

    On the rest I am generally unaware of what happens in the SB. I find most of it junk and only take an interest in it when theskeptic shows up and more recently Matrix. Even here someone or the other often alerts me to things or I notice it because these two put up large comments that are conspicuous.

    As for double standards I call what I see as objectionable. I have been saying for some days now that I have called what I saw as objectionable on Bachchan’s own blog! This when he’s responded to my comments three times so I know he could well see more responses. A number of these are reasonably firm. So it’s hardly likely that I would be taking Bachchan on but not my friends. But again I think context is important. I know you’re a SRK fan, when you called Abhishek ‘constipated’ I didn’t have an issue. Because you’re not doing it all the time. there’s no agenda. On the other hand you have Achilles who’s typically using this word fairly regularly or commenting lewdly about Ash. Again note the context. Many others also say they find Ash desirable, they even joke about it a little lewdly at times. That’s a different thing. Achilles does it simply to attack and when he doesn’t get the reaction he desires he increases the obscenity quotient. I simply don’t see any of my ‘friends’ (however you define them) as doing this.

    Now as for those who might constantly joke about SRK again I am not objecting to jokes about Abhishek or anyone else. As I’ve said before not so long ago there was literally spamming all day on the forum and it would be stuff like someone calling the post a picture of Abhishek and when you clicked you’d see a monkey. That was happening all the time and really ruining the forum. On SRK you see a lot of stuff but most of it is not at all at the level of the exceptional and more importantly for my purposes is not regressive humor. I am objecting to the comments directed at Ash here, not Abhishek. But even where I am with the latter it’s only about the excess. So for example everytime I put up pictures Achilles reacts a certain way. Not sure what the point is here. Clearly the comments won’t stop me from putting up as many pics as I like! So here there’s hostility. In any case as long as I don’t see humor as regressive which is something I am personally concerned about I don’t see it as my job to police the forum.

    As for some of the objections that Myna has raised all that is also fairly predictable. She just doesn’t like my views on Hrithik (much like Achilles) and that’s all there is to it. But yes if you’re going to call rikshawalas “dirty” and “unhygienic” or support those who make such claims I won’t stand for it. Obviously I can’t stop anyone but I shall protest and vigorously so.
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    Comment by satyam on 17 May 2008:

    Kunal: But of course one must also see the links here. Why is it that the worst kinds of racist or sexist humor or disgusting class condescension (the rikshawala comment) comes about only when Abhishek is under discussion (attacking Ash is just a way of attacking him). Why was it that the most obscene kind of humor was indulged in with Hrithik added to the picture? So it’s not just that these folks are regressive but particularly so when it comes to the Bachchans.

    Much as a certain gentleman attacked me here on communal grounds, on grounds of sexual orientation, on grounds of gender and what not. Why? Because the usual tactics weren’t working. Of course now it’s ‘cold war’ language with ‘agents’ and ‘conspiracies’ and what not. Incidentally a language that some others have picked up and regularly use to attack me.

    All of this constitutes a defacement exercise. It is not enough to attack Abhishek. He must be humiliated (at least in the minds of those who launch these attacks) and hence they reduce themselves to that kind garbage. One has the gall to attack rikshawalas when one behaves exactly as one defines that group. In other words some members are ‘dirty’ and ‘unhygienic’ ‘rikshawalas’ based on their own standards! They might object that I haven’t seen their pictures. I don’t need to! Since they talk like ‘rikshawalas’ (their definition not mine!) they must look like them too (!) and that means (again by their definition) ‘dirty’ and ‘unhygienic’!

    Again I am ‘moved’ when some of these same folks after making comments about other women are always rather distressed when any member of their own family is even slightly implicated. So a gentleman talks in the worst possible ways about Ash (she is also someone’s spouse or do rules of decency not apply for public figures? But then where does ‘public’ begin? I know men who find it justifiable to comment about women in parties, the point being ‘well they’re here for everyone to see and dressed a certain way and so on’!) but even the slightest comment about one’s backhround becomes offensive? The perversity here is that one really reveals atavistic ideas in so many ways but is immediately angered if one is not considered as ‘enlightened’ as everyone else. So to take the earlier analogy further ‘I might talk and act like the rikshawala of my nightmares but I am not actually one’! Well the question minimally is: why are you acting like one?!

    To re-iterate a point I think that there are women who are members on this forum (even if some seem to easily go along with the regressive stuff) and many others who visit the forum. Shouldn’t one stop talking as if this is just an old boy’s club? About cleavage, about someone’s wife looking like an “escort” and what not. Let’s be honest. How many would find it ok if women started looking for the right bulge in pictures of male stars and tried to figure out how well endowed each one was? There could be other things too.

    Finally some of my friends here who often joke about SRK are also rather self-deprecating using the same humor at other points. This is often missed.
43. 

    Comment by Myna on 18 May 2008:

    “As for some of the objections that Myna has raised all that is also fairly predictable. She just doesn’t like my views on Hrithik and that’s all there is to it.”

    If there is anything predictable on NG, its your objections and reactions. Not only I dont like your views on hrithik, but I dont like your views on anything at all. (And NO, its not bcoz there is truth in those, its bcoz I cannot find even an iota of truth). But thats not the reason I objected.

    Anyway I am out of this topic once and for all….this whole thing is becoming very very predictable now, ppl abusing, cursing (only to irritate few); and others protesting (the irritated ones)…

    (One last comment though…one makes a comment on Ash’s cleavage and suddenly one realises that there are women folks who visit the forum!!!Hmmmmm….how abt some of the actresses pics posted on NG and the comments that followed? Soha ali khan, Katrina, Illeana…etc. Women folks were not visiting the forum on those days???)
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    Comment by Kunal27 on 18 May 2008:

    Satyam I find myself agreeing with you on most of the points, specially when you stress that there has to be a minimum amount of decorum maintained on the forums, or any social gathering, real or virtual.

    I personally, like Myna, have no qualms about anyone cursing Shahrukh or Abhishek, I can even be alright with derogatory remarks against Ash and Gauri upto a certain extent. All we want to say is that there are people on both sides of fence who consistently cross the borderline of respect, and even pass on utter garbage on members, if Achillies you think is one such then make no exception, Ilg himself is no different. Infact I have seldom seen Achillies saying anything cheap on other member, though even I have come under his rage once, but Ilg I think has a reputation of attacking the members personally.

    TBH, though I agree with that whole “Rikshawala” fiasco, still do not matter to me as much as passing on undignified remarks against fellow members.

    But in a nut shell I do agree with most of your points, except that people attack you because they some truth part

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