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Nominees for 14th Annual Screen Awards
By IndiaFM News Bureau, January 2, 2008 – 11:23 IST
Best Film
Chak De! India
Guru
Life in A… Metro
Om Shanti Om
Taare Zameen Par
Best Director
Aamir Khan – Taare Zameen Par
Anurag Basu – Life in A… Metro
Farah Khan – Om Shanti Om
Mani Ratnam – Guru
Shimit Amin – Chak De! India
Best Actor (Male)
Abhishek Bachchan – Guru
Akshaye Khanna – Gandhi My Father
Amitabh Bachchan – Cheeni Kum
Shah Rukh Khan – Chak De! India
Shahid Kapoor – Jab We Met
Best Actor (Female)
Aishwarya Rai Bachchan – Guru
Kareena Kapoor – Jab We Met
Tabu – Cheeni Kum
Best Actor in a Supporting Role (Male)
Aamir Khan – Taare Zameen Par
Darshan Jariwala – Gandhi My Father
Mithun Chakraborty – Guru
Sharman Joshi – Life in A… Metro
Vipin Sharma – Taare Zameen Par
Best Actor in a Supporting Role (Female)
Chak De! Girls – Chak De! India
Tisca Chopra – Taare Zameen Par
Konkana Sen Sharma – Life in A… Metro
Shefali Shah – Gandhi My Father
Best Actor in a Negative Role (Male/ Female)
Arjun Rampal – Om Shanti Om
Pankaj Kapur – The Blue Umbrella
Pawan Malhotra – Black Friday
Viviek Oberoi – Shoot Out At – Lokhandwala
Best Actor in a Comic Role (Male/ Female)
Anil Kapoor – Welcome
Govinda – Partner
Irrfan Khan – Life in A… Metro
Nana Patekar – Welcome
Vinay Pathak – Bheja Fry
Best Playback Singer (Male)
KK – Aankhon Mein Teri – Om Shanti Om
Shaan – Jab Se Tere Naina – Saawariya
Shankar Mahadevan – Maa – Taare Zameen Par
Shankar Mahadevan – Title Song – Taare Zameen Par
Soham – Inn Dino – Life in A… Metro
Best Playback Singer (Female)
Chinmaye – Tere Bina – Guru
Shreya Ghoshal – Barso Re Megha – Guru
Shreya Ghoshal – Yeh Ishq Haaye – Jab We Met
Sunidhi Chauhan – Sajnaji Vaari – Honeymoon Travels Pvt Ltd
Best Lyrics
Gulzar – Bol Na Halke – Jhoom Barabar Jhoom
Prasoon Joshi – Maa – Taare Zameen Par
Sameer – Jab Se Tere Naina – Saawariya
Sayeed Quadri – Inn Dinon – Life in A… Metro
Best Story
Amole Gupte – Taare Zameen Par
Anurag Basu – Life in A… Metro
Feroz Abbas Khan – Gandhi My Father
Imtiaz Ali – Jab We Met
Jaideep Sahni – Chak De! India
Best Screenplay
Amole Gupte – Taare Zameen Par
Anurag Basu – Life in A… Metro
Anurag Kashyap – Black Friday
Imtiaz Ali – Jab We Met
Jaideep Sahni – Chak De! India
Best Background Music
A R Rahman – Guru
Raju Singh – Life in A… Metro
Salim-Sulaiman – Chak De! India
Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy – Taare Zameen Par
Vishal-Shekhar – Om Shanti Om
Best Music
A R Rahman – Guru
Monty Sharma – Saawariya
Pritam – Life in A… Metro
Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy – Jhoom Barabar Jhoom
Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy – Taare Zameen Par
Best Dialogue
Amole Gupte – Taare Zameen Par
Imtiaz Ali – Jab We Met
Jaideep Sahni – Chak De! India
Sanjeev Dutta – Life in A… Metro
Vijay Krishna Acharya – Guru
Best Editing
Aarti Bajaj Kashyap – Black Friday
Akiv Ali – Life in A… Metro
Amitabh Shukla – Chak De! India
Bunty Nagi – Shoot Out At Lokhandwala
Pooja Ladha Surti – Johnny Gaddaar
Best Sound
Baylon Fonseca – Shoot Out At Lokhandwala
Bishwadeep Chatterjee – Eklavya The Royal Guard
H. Sridhar – Guru
Hari Dwarak & Madhu Apsara – Johnny Gaddaar
Hitendra Ghosh – Life in A… Metro
Manas Chaudhary & Ali Merchant – Chak De! India
Best Cinematography
Bobby Singh – Life in A… Metro
N. Nataraj Subramaniam – Eklavya The Royal Guard
Rajiv Menon – Guru
Ravi Chandran – Saawariya
Sudeep Chatterjee – Chak De! India
Best Special Effects
Red Chillies VFX – Chak De! India
Red Chillies VFX – Om Shanti Om
Tata Elxsi – Taare Zameen Par
Best Art Direction
Gautam Sen – Khoya Khoya Chand
Nitin Chandrakant Desai – Gandhi My Father
Omung Kumar – Saawariya
Sabu Cyril – Guru
Sabu Cyril – Om Shanti Om
Best Choreography
Farah Khan – Dhoom Tana – Om Shanti Om
Ganesh Hegde & Pappu-Mallu – Yun Shabnami – Saawariya
Saroj Khan – Barso Re Megha – Guru
Vaibhavi Merchant – Aaja Nachle – Aaja Nachle
Vaibhavi Merchant – Title Song – Jhoom Barabar Jhoom
Best Action
Abbas Ali – Awarapan
Anthony Stone – Cash
Javed Ejaz – Shoot Out At Lokhandwala
Tinu Verma – Apne
Most Promising Newcomer (Male)
Ranbir Kapoor – Saawariya
Neil Nitin Mukesh – Johnny Gaddaar
Most Promising Newcomer (Female)
Deepika Padukone – Om Shanti Om
Sonam Kapoor – Saawariya
Most Promising Debut Director
Aamir Khan – Taare Zameen Par
R Balakrishna – Cheeni Kum
Feroz Abbas Khan – Gandhi My Father
Reema Kagti – Honeymoon Travels
Sajid Khan – Heyy Babyy
Best Child Artiste
Ali Haji – Ta Ra Rum Pum
Angelina – Ta Ra Rum Pum
Darsheel Safary – Taare Zameen Par
Dhruv Piyush Panjuani – Apna Aasmaan
Shreya Sharma – Blue Umbrella
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Agree with the above estimations (considering the movie works).
But Kudos to those Reliance guys who talked about expected 175-200 crores ...
Easy Recovery Plan,
India = 125 cr, 65 cr Share.(as its a Class and Mass movie and Hrithik works well everywhere)
Overseas ...
here are earlier reports
Reliance Big Pictures acquires distribution rights of biggest blockbusters
BIG Pictures to distribute Hrithik Roshan starrer Kites 
Those who understood meaning of "tumhe pyaar kab tak na karein bhala" will get the meaning of my last comment ...
Also I am the biggest fan of Nadeem-Shravan's music and I like his music more than some of ARR's songs! 
Plagiarism aside - as every famous music director has copied some song at some time
Rajesh Roshan has given some great ...
From music to cricket- I remember telling Rikky that on consistency Pathan junior is a much better batsmen ...
Aarohi 2 January 2008
12:47:07 am
I think “Tum Se Hi” from JWM should have got a nom for Best Lyrics.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
12:52:16 am
The chak de girls in the supporting category is REALLY unfair…They are as much the life of the film as SRK…
Aarohi 2 January 2008
12:56:45 am
I think nominating the whole group is a really lame idea. Clearly some girls were better than the rest and some had better scenes than the rest. My pick would be Shilpa Shukla who played Bindiya Naik.
sandy 2 January 2008
12:59:30 am
Reasonably good list here. TZp predictably leads with a whopping 15 nominations, followed by Guru at 13 and CDI at 12
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:06:55 am
Disagree Arohi…At Palme d’or the Volver and Indigenes cast won collective awards.It’s not about all being good it’s about giving something to all of them.
sandy 2 January 2008
01:10:49 am
In my view, Aamir Khan wins hands down the ‘Best supporting actor’ and ‘best director’ awards.
Best actor, I’d take SRK for CDI. And I’m glad that he hasn;t been nominated for OSO again. He wasn’t exactly great in this film.
jayshah 2 January 2008
01:15:34 am
Best Child artist….damn it….Darsheel deserves a best actor nom
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:15:51 am
I would either Dharam JG or Big B Elavya for best supporting.
For best director either Ragavan or Basu.But it will be very difficult to beat Amin this year!
Tango 2 January 2008
01:22:20 am
Hilarious not a single nomination for Akshay with 4 hits?
No nomination for Vidya Balan in Bhool Bhulaiyaa?
TWO nomination for TZP in best supporting actor, Amir is fine but who is the other bloke?
Then why not TWO for CDI , Vidya Malavade and Sagarika ?
Eliminated with Chake De girls -Hilarious.
sandy 2 January 2008
01:23:10 am
Best film, best story, screnplay and best lyrics are pretty much locked with TZP.
In my opinion, Aamir should get best director too.
Tango 2 January 2008
01:23:49 am
And Tisca? She was the worse thing abt TZP, same expression in all the scenes.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:26:52 am
No way …it’ll be divided between JG ,Chak de,Black Friday…
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:28:52 am
Tango even the child has the same expression when Aamir comes in…
The Father role was apt too maybe that’s why they nominated him..
Bhalo_Manush 2 January 2008
01:29:54 am
Himesh ke saath nainsaafi
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:32:14 am
Himesh ke saath nainsaafi
You’re his fan..
Tango 2 January 2008
01:32:53 am
kmkm13 hardly matters awards and reviews mean zilch, tabhi Tango ko gussa aata hai
Even to Amir awards don’t mean anything
starinthemaking 2 January 2008
01:33:22 am
i agree Tango..thats exactly what i was thinking..makes me sick.
guru 13 noms: plzzz it wasn’t that good either!
best actress nom for aishwarya doesn’t make a sense to me..Rani deserves a nom too so what none of her films did well..if flopshows like JBJ can be nominated under best choreography then why not rani?? i mean how can u call that choreography?? yuck
and they don’t have JAB WE MET under the best music category..this is absolute nainsaafi
i have a feeling..guru might get truck load of technical awards but TZP n CDI are bound to get the popular awards.
jayshah 2 January 2008
01:33:51 am
Like last yr and LRM/RDB split…awards probably have same problem this year with CDI/TZP, especially with best film/best director nods.
Bhalo_Manush 2 January 2008
01:35:10 am
No…was just kidding…actually i was surprised to see only 2 nominations in both dubut awards…they could have nominated some more actors…like sagarika from CDI, Himesh, ruslan from MP3…
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:37:22 am
kmkm13 hardly matters awards and reviews mean zilch, tabhi Tango ko gussa aata hai
Agreed ke Paisa bolta hai bhaiya..
Sim agreed…On technical aspect i must say loved JG and Black Friday but who knows ..sometimes it’s like the russian roulette…Tera kya hoga kaalia!
Bhalo_Manush 2 January 2008
01:38:05 am
Tango bhai namastey…m a new member here…just want to know one thing from you..
Most of the articles like TOI and Zoom and some other articles now a days in the media are telling OSO grossed 94 crores..and broke gadar’s record…etc etc..majra kya hai???
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:40:10 am
“Like last yr and LRM/RDB split…awards probably have same problem this year with CDI/TZP, especially with best film/best director nods…”don’t think so this year there is a plethora of good films..not a 2 horse race!at least i hope..would be unfair to other non superstar films.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:42:15 am
Welcome Bhalo Manush are you Bengali?
Bhalo_Manush 2 January 2008
01:45:00 am
Thanx kmkm13 …i m from orissa..but currently m staying in kolkata
sandy 2 January 2008
01:54:00 am
Aamir has disdain for these awards lekin har saal kaam itna umda karein hai, ke nominate karna hi padta hai. But nominations don’t necessarily translate into awards, unless it’s a Lagaan situation jahan sharm ke mare ‘best film’ dena hi pada!
Nevertheless, TZP leads the pack by quite a margin. Even Guru nominations are above CDI! Personbally, i’d rate CDI head and shoulders above Guru.
Anyway, talking about CDI girls, they were really effective in the film but some of them are just plain irritating in their public appearances. To Pune alone, they’ve come some 200 times, for every goddamn B grade product launch!
I think not nominating Akshay is the right thing to do here. This is what happens when you do crappy films with no substance. The guy should count his blessings that he’s getting hits at least. Ab Welcome aur Heyy Babyy jaise sade hua filmon ke liye awards bhi chihiye!? Wah!
jayshah 2 January 2008
01:59:46 am
‘I think not nominating Akshay is the right thing to do here. This is what happens when you do crappy films with no substance.’
He should have got best actor nod in comic category. Thats unfair. But in main category his portrayals are not deserving of nomination IMO.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
02:02:00 am
Sandy you’re on a roll…TZP has had the reverse effect on you!On Chak de girls didn’t know about that!surely it’s their hour of glory…
IN ANY CASE COMEDY FILMS RARELY GETS NOMINATED IN ANY COUNTRY.THAT AKSHAY FILMS ARE BAD IS BESIDE THE POINT.
starinthemaking 2 January 2008
02:03:08 am
yaar akshay itna bhi bura nehi tha..namastey london me to mujhe woh achcha hi laga.agar shahid and amitabh ko nominations mile hai akshay ka to haq banta hi hai.
“Anyway, talking about CDI girls, they were really effective in the film but some of them are just plain irritating in their public appearances. To Pune alone, they’ve come some 200 times, for every goddamn B grade product launch!” LOL–bus isiliye ke they endorsed b-grade products!!!! yeh to logic nehi hua. mujhe laga tha awards performance ke basis par diya jata hai.then i think abhishek needs to be thrown out of the list too..idea, flying machine..all c-grade products nehi?
but i do agree with u on tzp..the movie was good and deserves to be awarded.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
02:05:31 am
Jay you’ve seen welcome i have a feeling that he is not funny but the film is or other actors are in his comedies.unlike say Govinda…yet to see some of his films though.
jayshah 2 January 2008
02:07:27 am
kmkm13 I haven’t seen Welcome.
Akshay’s best perf of the year is Namastey London. I saw that again over weekend and that trumps anything he’s done because he showed some versatility there. In any case, best comedy perf of year for me is Govinda in Partner. He was too good there !
sandy 2 January 2008
02:14:20 am
When I was talking about CDI girls, i was not talking about them deserving the award or not. It was just a general observation. Being in the print media, we get press releases of them being at so and so beauty parlour launch or becoming brand ambassadors of some local watch company!
And everytime, we’re like ‘Not again!’
Also, I was very put off by them when some of them came on certain television shows. The girl who played Komal Chautala, in particular is so full of herself!
kmkm13 2 January 2008
02:17:56 am
“The girl who played Komal Chautala, in particular is so full of herself!”After all they are SRK’s co stars kuch effect to padega hi….
Tango 2 January 2008
02:22:13 am
Bhalo_Manush Gadar netted 70 crores but it has subsequently been crossed many times.
But one thing significant that have seen now is that for the first time Komal ( a big Lagaan fan) admitted that Gadar made thrice of Lagaan in last weeks Film Street Journal.
I think as per different sources OSO has made froom 80 -94 crores in India.
Tango 2 January 2008
02:28:37 am
But awards and critical acclaim may mean nothing but 35 cr & 17 cr is great pointer to what star power is all about, something I was warning from a long time.
Ab India ko bolo ki bad taste hai to phir UK mein kya hua aur Gulf aur Australia mein kya hua?
TZP has not even touched 3 crores in Bombay-Thane 2.81 cr to be exact , Taran has obviously goofed/forged up, that by me is a pathetic performance.
Tango 2 January 2008
02:33:13 am
Anyway since I am not IBOS I will give it its rightful total of 17 crore and not 14 crores like the honest IBOS.
sandy 2 January 2008
02:47:37 am
The TZP battle has been won already! A few crores here and there dosn;t make a difference to a prestige film like Lagaan or TZp. They are masterpieces and will be remembered in that vein. Not in the crude sense of how much they made in Patna and Gorakhpur. Let those calculations be limited to sub-standard B grade ventures.
sandy 2 January 2008
02:50:14 am
But I guess some people can’t help but treat films like a departmental store, selling it like soaps, shampoo sachets and sanitary napkins! LOL
beldevere 2 January 2008
02:51:25 am
Everything here is explainable to a point of view except for best music. No oso and jwm and we have tzp and life in a metro And sawariya.that’s total bs. No music sense.
sandy 2 January 2008
02:55:12 am
I’m glad Screen recogonised this aspect and has rightfully cold-shouldered all the trashy earners. In fact, even Om Shanti Om isn’t a very favoured film here at all.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
02:56:14 am
Sandy….Masterpieces tzp and even LAGAAN(classic yes)LOL….I don’t think so.
Agreed BELD;;;
FloydRulez 2 January 2008
03:21:51 am
Trashy earners shouldn’t cloud the judgment of its music. My single-most favorite tamil album this year Sivaji would suffice.
sandy 2 January 2008
03:43:49 am
“Sandy….Masterpieces tzp and even LAGAAN(classic yes)LOL….I don’t think so.”
Of course TZP and Lagaan are not masterpieces. A collection of Dil Toh Pagal Hai, Om Shanti Om and Bhool Bhulaiyaa are what you would call an extraordinary tour de force.
sandy 2 January 2008
03:47:35 am
“No oso and jwm and we have tzp and life in a metro And sawariya.that’s total bs. No music sense.”
I said in the very beginning that Jab We Met has only very above average music, a travesty for a romantic film. One song is great here, that’s about it!
OSO has some peppy numbers but no great shakes at all.
I think melody was the overriding factor here and both TZP and Metro are the right choices.
I’m quite impressed with the selections here actually.
Guru, of course, was my fav music this year and probably deserves to win. I also think highly of CDI’s music.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
03:57:05 am
yES AND A CHAP DIRECTING ANOTHER CHAP’s SCRIPT WRITTEN DURING 7 YEARS IS WHAT YOU CALL GENIUS…
AND fANAA RH ISHQ ARE OTHER MASTERPIECES FROM THE GOD OF DIFFERENT CINEMA….THE BOON TO BOLLYWOOD THE CREME DE LA CREME OF BOLLYWOOD EVERYONE ELSE ARE CRAPS RAJ KAPOOR GURU DUTT ARE NOTHING .AAMIR BROUGHT GOOD CINEMA TO BOLLYWOOD GIVE US A BREAK
jayshah 2 January 2008
03:58:29 am
‘Of course TZP and Lagaan are not masterpieces. A collection of Dil Toh Pagal Hai, Om Shanti Om and Bhool Bhulaiyaa are what you would call an extraordinary tour de force.’
LOL. Cribbing of Lagaan and TZP and flowery commentary on Welcome. By these standards the greatest movie ever made is Titantic…go figure !
kmkm13 2 January 2008
03:59:42 am
CALLING TZP OR LAGAAN MASTERPIECES EVERY OTHER DAY DOESN’T MAKE THEM ANY MASTERPIECES SANDY.
jayshah 2 January 2008
03:59:49 am
kmkm13 what films would you consider in the last 10 years to be better than Lagaan and TZP from mainstream? I’d love to see this list…
kmkm13 2 January 2008
04:03:59 am
NONE….
kmkm13 2 January 2008
04:07:30 am
I don’t think there have been great films but better than LAGAAN i find satya better or on TZP i like JG BLACK FRIDAY BETTER….EVEN CHAK DE IS BETTER THAT TZP
beldevere 2 January 2008
04:09:24 am
Sandy, all I can say is that our music tastes differ by the proverbial mile and some more. Oso and jwm and jbj are the 3 best albums this year by a proverbial mile. Others are not even close IMO.
Oso and jwm are far far more melodious than life and tzp. Tzp is a ok listen at best.
sandy 2 January 2008
04:11:43 am
That’s your view KMKM. From the critical point of view, Lagaan stands tall even amoung the best in Hindi cinema. TZP is of course cult now!
Shah 2 January 2008
04:14:46 am
“yES AND A CHAP DIRECTING ANOTHER CHAP’s SCRIPT WRITTEN DURING 7 YEARS IS WHAT YOU CALL GENIUS…”
Yes, a chap directing another chap’s script written during 7 years PERFECTLY is what I call genius.
btw, what’s wrong in directing some other chap’s script? Do you prefer all scriptwriters to direct their own scripts???
kmkm13 2 January 2008
04:16:31 am
ALL ARE VIEWS SANDY EVEN YOURS….
ON CRITICS I’VE SAID THIS BEFORE I DON’T TRUST ANY NO MATTER HOW MANY.AT THE END I’M THE JUDGE.EVEN ON WORLD CINEMA….DOESN’T MEAN I DON’T LISTEN…
SANDY NOW TZP IS CULT FROM BEING MASTERPIECE….AT LEAST LET SOME TIME PASS.
AGREED THAT LAGAAN STANDS TALL IN HINDI CINE…NO PROBLEM
jayshah 2 January 2008
04:16:55 am
Thanks kmkm13. Satya was great IMO too.
Lagaan’s the best I’ve seen in last 10 years. TZP will have to wait for my thoughts
Very early to make a call on the movie.
sandy 2 January 2008
04:17:49 am
Beld: I guess you have seen TZP already. If not, I’m sorry to say you are making a career on NG using assumptions. J I too didn’t think very highly of TZP’s music, till iIsaw the film. It blends wonderfully. Yet, I don’t think it deserves ‘Best music’ award. Guru is my winner.
And I still think JWM music is sub par, I mentioned it to abzee too long ago. The film is wonderful but all that blaring Nagada nagada and some other loud numbers don’t work for me at all.
Similarly, never thought highly of OSO music. This is what you call a fluke musical hit, with zero depth.
sandy 2 January 2008
04:18:56 am
“btw, what’s wrong in directing some other chap’s script? Do you prefer all scriptwriters to direct their own scripts???”
LOL, well-said Shah!
beldevere 2 January 2008
04:19:14 am
But then sandy has that pov. So my first statement stands annulled
Cheers
jayshah 2 January 2008
04:21:03 am
Guru is my winner too on music. JBJ has lost its zest IMO barring one romantic number. OSO is underated quality wise, its a very complete album but prefer Guru to it. TZP – have to watch the movie to see the music. Its a bit like the RDB for me, the movie made it that much better.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
04:22:17 am
SHAH WHAT GENIUS ABOUT TZP I’VE MISSED SOMETHING.
btw, what’s wrong in directing some other chap’s script? Do you prefer all scriptwriters to direct their own scripts???NOTHING WRONG BUT TO SACK SOMEONE BECAUSE HE WASN’T GOOD ENOUGH AND THAT SOMEONE BEING THE WRITER OF THE FILM;IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THEN TELLING THE WORLD THAT HE WAS INCOMPETENT AND WHAT NOT…HE SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE FILM;I’M NOT SURPRISED THAT AMOL DIDN4T LIKE THE FILM WHEN HE SAW IT.
Julie 2 January 2008
04:22:30 am
What an oblique representation here. Guru with 13 nominations is way over hyped. Have a feeling that Abhishekh will bag the Best Actor Award this year.
No Madhuri in best actress nomination (AN), instead Ash in best actress nomination for Guru is a huge surprise.Whatever happens from here will become the trend in the other award ceremonies.
sandy 2 January 2008
04:23:34 am
Where I do agree with Floyd is that a trashy film could have great music and that could be recogonised but if it’s an extremely bad film, then I’d prefer not.
BTW, I love Yaara Dildaara’s music and few films get trashier than this one!
jayshah 2 January 2008
04:24:35 am
kmkm13…Aamir did offer to leave the film but Amol still wanted Aamir to be part of the project.
I think Aamir is perfectly within his right – he is the Producer. But no doubt he could have tackled the situation much better. But I guess Aamir has answered his critics here too with a resounding debut as director. So all is merry in the end
jayshah 2 January 2008
04:25:41 am
Sandy I liked some real trashy movie’s music. This is a good idea for a thread ! The best music for the most trashiest movie ever !
beldevere 2 January 2008
04:27:57 am
Sandy
What I make my career here is my problem and nobody else’s. I can see that you are the tolerant type.
IMO tzp movie is ok. Jwm and oso rocks. Not asking you to agree, am I. So what’s the fuss about.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
04:28:20 am
yes but he should have left it ….Amol was being pressed here he had no choice!
ON Aamir the director let me say that now after TZP i’m sure he never ghost directed any of his films before….
jayshah 2 January 2008
04:29:24 am
‘NOTHING WRONG BUT TO SACK SOMEONE BECAUSE HE WASN’T GOOD ENOUGH’
Happens every single day in every single company ! I guess we’ll never know Amol’s vision here…but judging on Aamir’s judgement thus far and his history I know which I’d be backing to make the better film…and thats all that matters in the end!
jayshah 2 January 2008
04:30:57 am
‘ON Aamir the director let me say that now after TZP i’m sure he never ghost directed any of his films before….’
LOL
sandy 2 January 2008
04:32:27 am
Julie: Yes, missing out Madhuri for Aaja Nachle –easily one of the better films this year – is a real shame! I so wished this film could redeem itself in some way.
Jay: Great idea for a thread indeed.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
04:33:12 am
even so a bad thing is bad….that Aamir is geared to make better films is beside the point everyone is will the Aamir fan see beyond him once in a while.
sandy 2 January 2008
04:38:51 am
Beld: I’m just glad Screen is bang on target with its music nominations. You know I have nothing against you, sweetie!
Shah 2 January 2008
04:39:52 am
kmkm13, it was Amole’s suggestion that Aamir direct the project. Since Aamir didn’t like the rushes, being the producer, he had every right to back out.
jayshah 2 January 2008
04:41:02 am
kmkm13 no Aamir fan would say he hasn’t made his share of bad movies. But his good movie pile is on ‘average’ better than most current mainstream actors. On average he is better, that is all.
Yes he has RH and Fanaa and Ishq, but frankly you count how many of these SRK/Salman have it will be far bigger list. And even Hrithik/Abhishek have made some silly choices.
Aamir has always one the critical battle better than most. Just accept it !
kmkm13 2 January 2008
04:48:19 am
YES jay that’s because Aamir has worked less Compared to others doesn’t lessen the crap….Even so Aamir has huge load of crap man!just open your eyes…
. On average he is better, that is all”.Don’t think so his choices have been better….
Shah i’ve said this earlier on the thread Aamir should have backed out.The day Aamir writes a screenplay or collaborate on it he’ll what it means to declare another baby yours.
sandy 2 January 2008
04:48:26 am
“Aamir has always one the critical battle better than most. Just accept it !”
Absolutely right kmkm. Aamir’s at the top of heap where critical acclaim is considered and a force to reckon in matters of BO. Without falling into the trap of ratings (because that really depends on genres and banners an actor takes up…and in any case, this keeps changing amoung the top 4 actors, Aamir’s in an enviable position in every imaginable way.
Julie 2 January 2008
04:50:15 am
Sandy – AN and Madz was let down big time by the media, critics and the Indian audience. Many a times big movies carry through in the BO despite being trashed by the media. However AN being a niche product was very sensitive to the criticism by the media. Imagine if TZP was panned by the media, it wouldn’t have done half the business it raked in. The product was overall good but the media was too unkind to Madhuri and her return (it appeared more of a connivance by the leading trade experts to make it bomb for whatever reasons). The fate of the film was decided by all negative criticisms that poured in.
Since you work in the media, maybe you could throw more light on what actually went wrong with the way this product was dealt with.
Julie 2 January 2008
04:52:54 am
I am actually very happy that Aaja Nachle has received very warm response from the crowd in the UK. It is still running 3 shows in the premier theatre of London.
beldevere 2 January 2008
04:53:05 am
Now you have me in trouble sandy. Satyam will come after me with a vengeance now!!!
kmkm13 2 January 2008
04:54:36 am
Sandy it was jay…The problem i find with Aamir is that he’s not radical enough….Certainly not marginal.
i don’t really believe in genres in india because Bolly is yet to make real genre cine like horror ,film noir ,adventure,gangster films….And without songs
Shah 2 January 2008
04:57:41 am
Agreed Jayshah.
If Aamir had done a Veer-Zara, Dil to Pagal hai or a Partner.. it would have made it to that list along with RH, Ishq, Fanaa, Mela.
kmkm13, Aamir fans do look beyond him very often, but i guess they like to focus more on the better movies that he has made. His ‘prestige’ hits are much more than those of any of the current stars.. Sarfarosh, Lagaan, DCH, RDB, TZP.
Fari 2 January 2008
04:58:49 am
I’m glad to see Aishwarya nominated for Guru. One could argue that her role wasn’t big enough but she created a beautiful character despite this. The award will likely go to Kareena but I’m pleased to see Aish recognized.
TZP’s first half was beautiful but the second half is where Aamir loses points with me. Still a lovely film though and is probably at the top of my list for this year.
Fari 2 January 2008
05:00:15 am
btw, everyone’s debating these awards but I thought they didn’t matter.
rockstar 2 January 2008
05:01:06 am
no nomination for akshay kumar in best actor category its a surprise (he deserves a nomination for namastey london), they should have nominated darsheel his performance is on par with srk,abhishek if not better
Ravi 2 January 2008
05:02:02 am
Got to see TZP and Welcome last week.
Welcome was time pass movie (paisa vasool) and fun and obviously inspired by Mickey Blue Eyes but not a take off.
Well TZP was what everyone said and more, the theater was full and everyone appreciated it and everyone could relate to it, we went as a group and all the girls in the group came out with swollen eyes and were so proud of the movie and their swollen eyes, though my eyes got moist a lot did not cry(though I have for some other movies) and this was one movie made from the heart and the kid was amazing. Liked almost all the performances in the movie and Aamir enhanced the movie with his presence.
This is one of the best movies that I have seen recently and not one person that I have talked to did not like the movie, this is the kind of a movie that can proudly represent India at the Oscars and we can proudly say that this is our representation at the Oscars.
It could have been made a little faster, but the way they showed the kid as bubbly in the beginning to slowly withdrawing into his shell was impressive and most of the things shown in the movie we can relate to growing up in India and the pressures associated with growing up and trying to keep your parents expectations, no complaints from me as far as the pace of the movie as I felt that it needed to be like that to establish what the director(wonderfully done) wanted to be shown.
Tango bhai liked the Mom’s portrayal also a lot and felt she expressed some very nice emotions. All the kids in the movie acted very well.
My first comment after watching the movie was it might be one of the very few Indian movies where a kid was not pushed to act and say dialogues beyond their age and that kid was just to say the least amazing.
ILG 2 January 2008
05:07:02 am
Good set of noms overall.
Would have ben more appropriate to nominate Akshay for NL.Like Jay,saw it again and have to agree it is a very effective performance.
Sad to see Madhuri and AN totally ignored.Have to agree with Julie.This movie deserved a lot better.
Woulod love to see Abhi win best actor,Ash wn best actress and TZP win for best film,direction,story and screenplay.CDI girls deserve best supporting actress.Shimit would OK for best direction.Best music should go to JBJ or Guru.
Shah 2 January 2008
05:08:06 am
Agreed rockstar, Darsheel deserves being there with Srk & Abhishek. But it was understood that to honour him, they would create a new ‘child artist’ category and hunt down a few other kids from all the movies this year to complete the list.
Julie 2 January 2008
05:10:54 am
“no nomination for akshay kumar in best actor category its a surprise (he deserves a nomination for namastey london), they should have nominated darsheel his performance is on par with srk,abhishek if not better.”
Rockstar, if Darsheel was nominated in the Best Actor cateogary, he would win hands down. I guess they didn’t want to embarrass the senior artistes. Whether SRK or Abhishelh they would have both seen red being beaten by a kid. Lol
Akshay Kumar not getting nominated for NL is also a surprise as much as Katrina not getting nominated for Best Actress for the same. As I said the awards are too oblique and misrepresentative. I saw JWM. This was not Kareena’s drop dead performance by any yardstick. Thought Shahid was way better than Kareena, but maybe I am in a minority here. And Ash no matter what anyone says just cannot act – period.
Nitesh 2 January 2008
05:11:48 am
Akshay Kumar deserved a nomination for Bhool Bhulaiya in supporting role category and could have won it as well.
SRK and CDI will sweep the awards this time
rockstar 2 January 2008
05:23:24 am
forget aish,kareena tabu deserves it hands down for nameshake
kmkm13 2 January 2008
05:31:32 am
Julie i have to disagree with you here though Dasheel is very good i found the second part his perf exteremely withdrawn.all he does is just be sad or cover his face and coincided with Aamir entrance.He doesn”t act
… even the little girl in The Mirror or White Baloon….Iranian cine has the best child perf…There are so many great child perf….or the british film this year This is England…POWERPACKED perf by a kid!
Have you ever seen ‘The color of paradise’ by Majid Majidi that blind boy perf is oscar worthy like one critic said….that what i call towring perf sad to say Dasheel isn’t even close…
sandy 2 January 2008
05:32:11 am
I think Akshay Kumar is only a force to reckon with at the boxoffice. In matters of critical taste, the guy figures nowhere!
rockstar 2 January 2008
05:32:44 am
if other awards considers it worthy of nomination(namesake)
jayshah 2 January 2008
05:36:08 am
Ravi good to hear !
rockstar 2 January 2008
05:36:34 am
“Julie i have to disagree with you here though Dasheel is very good i found the second part his perf exteremely withdrawn.all he does is just be sad or cover his face and coincided with Aamir entrance.He doesn”t act”
well he was not given much footage it was all aamir in second half unlike the case with colour of paradise where kid’s character was coherent throughout btw the range of emotion which kid exhibited in first half was remarkable
starinthemaking 2 January 2008
05:36:36 am
with u on that Nitesh..srk n cdi are gonna get all the awards..hopefully!!
and big BULLSHIT to all the critics.to hell with what they say.
I also agree with julie..Madhuri dixit kaha hai??? Why didn’t see get a nomination?? she is 10000000 times better than aishwarya. her role was brief and WITHOUT any impact.
this list is really not complete and not fair at all
Anyhow..lets not fight..leave it to time..awards ke baad doodh ka doodh n paani ka paani ho jayega.
NyKavi 2 January 2008
05:42:32 am
It would be a travesty if CDI sweeps over TZP.
jayshah 2 January 2008
05:42:32 am
‘all he does is just be sad or cover his face and coincided with Aamir entrance.He doesn”t act’
LOL. Actually his acting is simply the life of the film. Without a bravo performance the film falls flat on its head. Just look at the scene where he has a bad dream and from a hint of humour in crying the scene becomes serious with his acting. In fact every time he rebels he acts superbly. The movie completely rests on his shoulders in the first half and he carries it off. And that to being only 8 years old is an achievement.
Probably awards ceremonies are embarrassed to embarrass SRK but the kid should at least be getting nominated !
Julie 2 January 2008
05:43:10 am
rockstar – Tabu is a brilliant actress and surely desreves recognition for her work. But Namesake is not a popular cinema. Hence I reckon even if other award ceremonies do nominate Tabu as BA it would be in the critics cateogary.
Not that awards matter that much, but some award ceremonies also have a cateogary of the Superstar of the year. I think it is Zee and Iifa. I see Akshay Kumar winning that title with SRK as the closest competitor.
NyKavi 2 January 2008
05:44:50 am
We can compare Darsheel to the kids in other language cinemas (Iran, France, etc etc) and say quite snobbishly that he isnt that great. First compare him to Desi cinema,and pick out a single perf of that caliber? I can use the same logic and compare our “great” adult actors with great adult actors from world cinema and by that same logic, our so called greats would fall flat on their faces too.
Ravi 2 January 2008
05:45:11 am
Thanks Jay, just got back to work today after a nice vacation, Just relaxed at home and partied hard when given a chance.
How was your 31st night? Did you go to see the waitress?
jayshah 2 January 2008
05:46:25 am
Ravi no ! Have not seen the waitress again, but have met another one in a different restaurant now !
kmkm13 2 January 2008
05:51:19 am
yes agreed jay but i was talkin about second half…A perf has to be through all film.
There have been a lot better kid perf in indian cine too…i belive Salaam Bombay is a better film anyday than TZP…even the little boy perf is better.it sad but a film with a superstar has more scrutiny more potency than other bigger child perf.
Even if the kid was nominated i don’t for one second think he would win.what is this shit about emabrass or not if the kid was better then so be it;;;no question of embarassment.
i thought AAmir doesn’t care for awards but his fans do care as i see it
ILG 2 January 2008
05:51:52 am
Jay and waitresses!
jayshah 2 January 2008
05:55:07 am
‘i thought AAmir doesn’t care for awards but his fans do care as i see it’
Its more hope then care ! This is just another reason to not care…one of many ! But one lives in hope that they wise up oneday !
rockstar 2 January 2008
06:00:33 am
“i belive Salaam Bombay is a better film anyday than TZP…even the little boy perf is better.”
it was a good movie but the performance of all child artist there was nowhere near to darsheel
“it sad but a film with a superstar has more scrutiny more potency than other bigger child perf” u can not ignore commercial aspects ever
rockstar 2 January 2008
06:02:22 am
also salam bombay got its due and was nominated to oscar
Julie 2 January 2008
06:04:35 am
“Even if the kid was nominated i don’t for one second think he would win.what is this shit about emabrass or not if the kid was better then so be it;;;no question of embarassment.”
relax kmkm13. The phrase on embarrasment was meant in jest. But I can see the kid sure has given palpitation to the fans of a few stars here I can see. Lol. By the way I do agree that TZP was a brilliant movie but not a landmark movie by any dose. Lagaan was a way better product than TZP or CDI but of course that is my opinion.
There are 3 historical greats in my book (and again this is purely my opinion). Sholay, Moghale Aazam, and Lagaan.
rockstar 2 January 2008
06:06:05 am
aside kmkm do u consider salam bombay as desi movie
jayshah 2 January 2008
06:07:12 am
‘But I can see the kid sure has given palpitation to the fans of a few stars here I can see. Lol.’
LOL..well that could be true. He is a welcome change from which star is bigger or better ! Just bet on the kid, you can’t go wrong then !!!
Nitesh 2 January 2008
06:12:23 am
‘I think Akshay Kumar is only a force to reckon with at the boxoffice. In matters of critical taste, the guy figures nowhere!’
Sandyji…your first part of the statement is factually correct while the second part seems to be your personal opinion.
Akshay in Bhool Bhulaiya for Best supporting actor could have given even your Aamir a run for his money. Ofcourse you are the one who most of the time misses the bus (referring to an earlier post)
If you read this thread, you will find an overwhelming demand for Akshay because he deserves it.
Anyways, now that he is not nominated, i will wait for his Tashan
Tango 2 January 2008
06:13:57 am
My major problems with the nominations , are Akshay (Namastey London)should have been there for Shahid, Vidya Balan should have been there for best actress (Bhool Bhulaiyaa) and that guy did not deserve anomination in best supporting actor – Vipin Sharma – Taare Zameen Par, there were umpteen much more deserving guys including Sanjay Dutt for SOAL.
I don’t think many will object to that.
Tango 2 January 2008
06:17:12 am
And pray why just three ladies there in that category ?
Nitesh 2 January 2008
06:17:43 am
Message to Akshay Kumar-
“Dude…give so many hits that even the number of different awards ceremony get dwarfed.”
kmkm13 2 January 2008
06:28:50 am
‘aside kmkm do u consider salam bombay as desi movie….’YES Bhai Why?NOT?The movie won Mira Nair the golden camera at Cannes film festival….It’s a very very difficult award to and get it MUST be a first film!It’s a feather for India it’s always reffered to here as such….
i disagree that street kid is way better than Dasheel In that he’s tragic,subversive,energetic….
Julie was SHOLAY a historical?hUh….YOU FORGOT Pakeezah,Shatranj ke Khilari,JUnoon….
Julie 2 January 2008
06:38:19 am
“Julie was SHOLAY a historical?hUh….YOU FORGOT Pakeezah,Shatranj ke Khilari,JUnoon….”
kmkm13 you sure are in a pugnacious mood. By historical I meant movies that are landmark movies in the history of Bollywood cinema which elevate the standards of movie making. Okay – now this is subjective, personal opinion. People are free to agree or disagree. Pakeeza, Junoon and SKK were too slow and were not impeccable products like the aforementioned.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
06:47:21 am
OK Julie if i say anything more you’ll say i’m violent now.Slowness in narrative cannot for me become criteria for impecability of a product.Junoon lacked big financial backing.But not PakezaH or Skk….They are landmark films in their own right just an opinion like yours…
NyKavi 2 January 2008
06:48:20 am
As for starpower, wasnt 17cr/350 prints a better average than 34cr/875 prints?
Nitesh 2 January 2008
08:39:35 am
Nykavi,
‘As for starpower, wasnt 17cr/350 prints a better average than 34cr/875 prints?’
LOL !!!!
starpower is also about getting more number of prints released. ofcourse, there are other parameters that are involved too.
If you consider only the multiplex numbers, welcome will have 25/450…i hope you got it.
WOM for Welcome is as strong as that of TZP.
Tango 2 January 2008
09:27:44 am
Nykavi -”As for starpower, wasnt 17cr/350 prints a better average than 34cr/875 prints?”
Well its 16.23 cr by BOI and only 14.09 cr by the fav IBOS, so only the supposed Amir hater has given him 17 cr.
Well I must tell you that the TZP occupancy percentage in Bombay was 75% against 65% in Bombay and was 80% for Welcome in Delhi city against 72 % for TZP.
But I am not amazed because Amir has confessed that he is nothing without the media support and it was his mistake to keep off media during RDB/Fanaa to Komal in his latest interview in Film Information.
As always “Hamaam mein sab nange hain.”
So Taran forging 4.27 crores against an actual 2.81 crores does not come as a surprise.
NyKavi 2 January 2008
09:28:59 am
Starpower means being able to give a 17 cr opening to a movie like TZP, that too when one has given more screen time to an 8 yr old kid.
I checked the last time any “star” did a movie such as TZP was like….never? Or maybe I am wrong, Akshay came close to kids and their issues in “Hey Baby”, SRK did so in that KKHH second half perhaps? To his credit, HR actually acted it out in Krissh, and would be the closest, but then he is a serious guy modelling his career after Aamir.
Seriously, I dont expect anyone with no inkling of what “kids with learning disabilities” means, to really have a depth of understanding of the issues raised in the movie. I said earlier, this movie was skating on thin ice on the verge of becoming a docu-drama. That Aamir has managed to get it 17 crs in week1, on its way to perhaps 40-45cr at the least is by itself an achievement. I would be willing to challenge anyone else to try a serious issue such as this, but I dont think any other leading star in Bwood even has the balls for that.
jayshah 2 January 2008
09:32:17 am
‘but I dont think any other leading star in Bwood even has the balls for that’
Well said! Bravo NYKavi! 16Cr+ is no mean feat considering the opposition, the multiplex issue, the size of the film and the print count. Anyone with two eyes can see that !
NyKavi 2 January 2008
09:38:17 am
Tango, isnt just a 10% occupancy diff betn the two movies in Delhi/Bombay enough validation of the drawing power of TZP vs a movie like Welcome?
Again, let me tell you, I just dont expect a sizeable majority of the population to even come to grips with a lot of what is in that movie. Each dialog, each scene of that movie can connect with only someone who has personally dealt with a child with learning disabilities. It is not easy to comprehend what it entails. I know parents who refuse to admit that their kids have such disabilities. Supposed learned IIT-Wharton grads with plum Wall Street posts living in KJoesque mansions in Chappqua can splurge 5 grand on a case of the finest Bordeaux as a status symbol, but come woefully short of understanding what goes on in their kids’ minds. This movie is an eye opener. And Aamir has managed to open eyes here..
satyam 2 January 2008
09:57:39 am
Well said Nykavi..
Tango 2 January 2008
10:02:04 am
Nykavi -”Tango, isnt just a 10% occupancy diff betn the two movies in Delhi/Bombay enough validation of the drawing power of TZP vs a movie like Welcome?”
Sorry but that is shameful because if one releases a movie with a limited number of prints the occupancy should obviously be higher.
Also,with all the criritics giving 4 & 5 to TZP and 1-2 * to welcome is this the occupancy that TZP has to show?
And with Taran giving 4.27 cr when it actually is 2.81 cr, as per the theater wise collections, it is all the more shameful.
Tango 2 January 2008
10:05:27 am
All the same give the credit where it is due, while the honest IBOS has given it 14.09 cr, BOI has it at 16.23 cr and Glamsham at 17 cr.
Tango 2 January 2008
10:07:57 am
But Nykavi whatever we have to say and feel, we never let it influence us giving it the rt total.
rks 2 January 2008
10:13:32 am
If 2.81cr is true then then I think TZP nett would be in 15 cr range. CDI and TZP both released in similar pattern and similar print count.
NyKavi 2 January 2008
10:17:45 am
I think you missed the point. TZP is NOT a mass entertainer, it is a SERIOUS movie. Critics gave it a 4-5 rating for its subject matter and presentation, and I would think that those critics gave those ratings only after understanding the subject matter.
A vast majority of the Paying audience likes to see a clean entertainer at the end of their stressful week. They generally do not understand the issues highlighted in the movie, and I am willing to bet that a lot of them going ga-ga are still unaware of the core message of this movie. Despite that, if they decided to spend their precious Rs200 on a multiplex ticket to see a story about a dyslexic kid, and give it even a 70% occupancy, I think in my books that is highly commendable.
I have seen umpteen documentaries about kids with learning disabilities at the NYS EDU. The mission of the Early Intervention Department of every state in the US is to make parents aware of what a Learning Disability means. And you will be surprised how seriously unsuccesful they are. Even now, in an advanced country like US, a majority of parents dont understand this issue. A lot of them dont even catch it until the kid is over 10 yrs of age and quite past the the “effective” age for therapy. I am quite certain, that in India there is hardly any literature highlighting this issue anywhere.
So, if Aamir managed to take such an issue and give it a commercial format, and manages to get even 30 cr at the very least, I just dont know how anyone can say that it is not validating his starpower. Put it another way, do you think Amole Gupte couldve taken Rahul Bose in this movie and opened it at 14 cr?
You are forever talking about IBOS,BOI,Glamsham. I am saying to hell with those numbers. Can you simply say that any other actor in Bwood can take this issue and make a 14cr (or 17cr or what ever be the #) opener with it?
Tango 2 January 2008
10:27:25 am
Mykavi -”Can you simply say that any other actor in Bwood can take this issue and make a 14cr (or 17cr or what ever be the #) opener with it?”
Well there was a small actor who had film that had no dance track or anything and got 20 cr with lesser prints, but that is another thing.
You seem to be missing the point. See I cried buckets in TZP but I laughed tons ( despite some very flat jokes) in Welcome, so why can’t the critics who gave 4 & 5 to TZP give 2-3 to Welcome saying its no pathbreaking cinema( it never claimed to) so its just ‘paisa vasool’.
My issue is NOT WITH TZP but the injustice to Welcome and also with all the forgery going around and TZP does not need it, it’ll be hit-superhit without it too.
And why I mention BOI & Glamsham and also IBOS is because inspite all the above we do not go out to prove our point like IBOS, by cutting down 3 crores.
Julie 2 January 2008
10:28:02 am
“Tango, isnt just a 10% occupancy diff betn the two movies in Delhi/Bombay enough validation of the drawing power of TZP vs a movie like Welcome?”
Nykavi – I think you have the whole mathematics wrong here. There is no way that TZP has had a greater box office draw than Welcome. Aamir’s release strategy was very smart. He targetted the multiplexes where he hoped to get the best draw. On sheer nos. of prints if he had gone for 850 prints, the average would have told a different story. Today Akshay Kumar is a force to reckon with in BO and has been named as the star of the year by CNN and many other news channels and newspapers. It is an issue of contention and debate only at NG which represnts a very small fraction of the public voice/media. Even Aamir has conceded that his movie wouldn’t have worked as miuch without media support. So where is the question of commanding a bigger star power comapred to his peers and rivals. TZP is truly a brilliant film, but the subject of BO is also a different issue. OSO was the biggest drawer this year. Leave aside the fact that both Farah and SRK also used the media support in a big way. In today’s world as Madhuri Dixit puts it if you have a product you have to shout about it no matter how good or bad it is. So the whole question of star power here does get obscured if you have to eventually resort to so much of media support.
NyKavi 2 January 2008
10:31:20 am
Frankly after letting the movie sink in the last 2-3 days, I am amazed that this movie even has an appreciating audience, the core message is so damn over the top of average heads, its unbelievable that it got even more than 15% occupancy. Seriously!!
Again, in my mind, I dont comprehend a diff betn 14 or 15 or 17 crores. If they guy made it for 10cr, every rupee that he makes in profit is a Blessing for him.
Agar usne koi bhi paap kiye hain, main kahoonga ki uske is ek sabse bade punya ne woh saare paap dho daale. Because, if he is able to even make 2% of parents with learning disabled kids realize what they need to do, he will have healed thousands of kids’ lives, he would have made thousands of kids’ future lives better. Thats how deep the impact this movie can make. And I am not hyping or obfuscating or phekoing…
Tango 2 January 2008
10:39:32 am
See this movie has a faitytale ending with Amir succeeding in his venture so it was bound to succeed.I have been saying from day 1 that this one is an extremely +ve movie.
I just wonder if the same movie showed Amir as succeeding partly but not able to get the fantasy ending, jahan maa baap bachcha sab khush.
In that regard I give more credit to Black because it had a sad ending with the teacher not bein there to savour the happy momoent of his endeavour.
jayshah 2 January 2008
10:39:53 am
‘There is no way that TZP has had a greater box office draw than Welcome.’
Julie your right. But comparing a film like TZP to Welcome is like comparing a juicy grape to an Orange. Neither is TZP massy material or the right film to compare opening prowess.
If one wants to compare TZP with CDI then its fairer comparison. But even here one shouldn’t forget 1) Competition 2) TZP still is a smaller film 3) Mulitplex issue. Factor in all three and some kind of ‘intellectual’ critique that some lack and one comes to a comparable opening.
NyKavi – your points are valid but no film should be spared the box office aspect. But TZP looks like a massive hit anyway, it should crack 50Cr IMO which says it all in the end.
rks 2 January 2008
10:40:21 am
Welcome : TZP :: Apple: Orange
beldevere 2 January 2008
10:41:35 am
Nyk
I think you are wrong. From all that I have heard this movie appeals to everyone. And sandy was right. Some friends told me that kids under 8 actually got spooked. So to say that this wasn’t a movie destined to succeed is well not that believable. The unanimous view seems to be that the kid should get the award for best actor. Best movie I think is a toss. Music better go to jbj as it is the only one other than guru that deserves to be on this list.
Tango 2 January 2008
10:43:06 am
Yes rks its 2.81 crore in Bombay-Thane with Bombay getting 2.14 cr and Thane 67.33 lakhs and I have the theater wise break up/collections.
jayshah 2 January 2008
10:44:37 am
‘From all that I have heard this movie appeals to everyone.’
Hindsight is a wonderful thing Beld. After seeing CDI I can say it appeals to all Indians but before hand would say its a dicey proposition.
I agree with Sandy AFTER seeing the movie. This movie appeals to everyone because it is a very personal movie. But that could not be said before the movies release.
beldevere 2 January 2008
10:48:05 am
Jay, disagree to a large extent. If tzp makes 50 cr it shows aamir’s star power obviously but it also shows that aamir seems to have a barrier at 50. This is where the top 2 score over him. A widely acclaimed movie with the other 2 easily makes much more despite some ridiculous claims by idiots comparing rdb to cdi numbers.
NyKavi 2 January 2008
10:49:05 am
I agree with you Julie that he simply cudnt have released it on 850 prints. And yes, BO for such a film depends tremendously on WOM, for which media usage is the best instrument. So yes, he has done all that, he has made people aware that there is this movie in which he has acted. He has done all the work reqd to bring people to the doors. Now the question is, if it were not for the beautiful treatment that he gave to it, would it even have made 14-17 crs? In this age of SMS/chat/email, do you think that people would even show up for the second day if the product was not tasteful, so much so that ppl with no clue of the core message ended up liking the movie too.
Tango, I agree with you that there is injustice done by critics all the time. Maybe they just go ga-ga without even understanding what they are talking about. But maybe also, they were so over-whelmed by this subject, that they just couldnt judiciously rate Welcome, which is a run of the mill Bwood comedy, any higher?
As for BO, my comments above stand, that for me its like a miracle to see that this movie can even make the money it will make, given its subject matter. Whether it makes 30 or 50, the guy will recover his costs, as you say, it may be hit or superhit. But it just proves his talents, and his ability to craft something brilliant and to be paid for it handsomely.
jayshah 2 January 2008
10:49:40 am
It would be a huge mis-injustice to give TZP’s success to Aamir and his box office clout. I’d feel foolish. Because ultimately its a team effort and the script worked wonders. Aamir’s need was a commercial one, but this is what I think a star is all about. A star like Aamir can do whatever he wants ! He’s said as such in interviews. To pick a very serious subject, direct it and produce it, and to make it in a super way is frankly something most stars can dream off. And box office is now a formality. But its the movie thats worked. A star just conjures up the opportunity for the film to work…beyond anything the story has to connect afterward and it has. And Amol deserves a big pat on the back for that too.
jayshah 2 January 2008
10:51:26 am
‘A widely acclaimed movie with the other 2 easily makes much more’
LRM made more than CDI. Is Sanju > SRK ?
Beld you fail to realise the size of the film, target audience, market dynamics, competition, the product. There are so many factors at work. Not just pure nett gross.
NyKavi 2 January 2008
10:53:43 am
“I just wonder if the same movie showed Amir as succeeding partly but not able to get the fantasy ending, jahan maa baap bachcha sab khush.”
But that is precisely the point of the movie. If you Intervene Early in a Learning Disabled kids life, that kids life WILL BE made better. That is a fact, and that fact is what every Early Intervention Program tries to convey by shouting from rooftops. But its sad that many parents just dont understand it.
Julie 2 January 2008
10:54:10 am
“But comparing a film like TZP to Welcome is like comparing a juicy grape to an Orange. Neither is TZP massy material or the right film to compare opening prowess.”
Jay I don’t deny that the two movies are as differnt as apple and orange. The contention arose when there are allusions made about BO draw and star power. While we are giving due credit to the directoral and creative abilites of Aamir, the topic of BO is highly debatable and nothing speaks louder than final numbers. That TZP will be assisted further by tax breaks is brilliant and it truly deserves to get the breaks, but again the numbers which emerge have to be evaulated in the correct perspective.
beldevere 2 January 2008
10:54:10 am
Its exactly the subject matter that is attracting people to the theater including many here. That the movie is actually great is just ensuring people actually don’t make it a DVD movie. Its obviously not a event like oso was and hence the start was slow like cdi. Again the same movie without aamir would have made 10cr or less total. The same with hrithik or srk would end up making 10 cr more overall is the educated guess that can’t be proven or disproven.
rks 2 January 2008
10:54:57 am
Just for fun here are the predictions thread
First thread
Second Thread
jayshah 2 January 2008
10:57:13 am
‘Again the same movie without aamir would have made 10cr or less total. The same with hrithik or srk would end up making 10 cr more overall is the educated guess that can’t be proven or disproven.’
The same movie without any star would have made pittance! And with SRK/Hrithik things are completely debatable. How much would CDI make if it opened with Welcome ? Less than 65Cr thats for sure. Your not comparing apples with apples (but understand this is impossible to anyway)
beldevere 2 January 2008
10:58:31 am
Hmm jay, you obviously missed the point. Lrm with aamir, srk or hrithik would have made more. Cdi with sanju would have made less. That is star power. Every movie makes money on how good it is and star power
Yes jay, we know you are a bo expert but I would like to believe (maybe a fantasy) that we are not dumb either.
rks 2 January 2008
10:59:15 am
Genre (Subject) is very important in conjunction with star power. Otherwise NL should have opened like HB, BB or welcome. It didn’t even take Bhagam Bhag’s opening!
jayshah 2 January 2008
11:01:59 am
‘topic of BO is highly debatable and nothing speaks louder than final numbers. ‘
Julie if Akshays Welcome opened with something like DCH, be rest assured a proper comparison can be made.
If Akshays 8 by 10 opens with a massy film it would be silly to compare the movies. Or comparing the box office opening of a Swades vs Veer Zaara. Is it fair? Why does Swades open to poor response but V-Z doesn’t ? Both star SRK.
Even the numbers need to be analysed in a thoughtful way. Why does Fanaa open to 100% collections but TZP only 50% ? Its much deeper than the star, there are loads of factors at play.
beldevere 2 January 2008
11:03:10 am
Jay I guess you didn t read the proven or unproven part. But ya cdi would have made 65 with welcome and ya I think welcome would have made less.
couldn’t resist that eh shet?
Srk always beats the competition unlike the othe moronic khans
Tango 2 January 2008
11:06:01 am
Disagree with you rks- “Genre (Subject) is very important in conjunction with star power. Otherwise NL should have opened like HB, BB or welcome. It didn’t even take Bhagam Bhag’s opening!”
It released bang in the middle of the World Cup when India was still in contention.
Realease the same NL in ‘Diwali’ Eid’ etc, it would have surely touched 23-24 cr, plus the makers did not have confidence and released it in 8-9-10 shows at the multiplexes instead of 15-16-17.
jayshah 2 January 2008
11:07:43 am
‘Lrm with aamir, srk or hrithik would have made more’
I beg to differ. Sanju has made the character iconic. No one else can replace him. There thats a nuanced argument.
Aamir in CDI (after what Lagaan did for him) would have got a good opening. However I think the final gross is maximised with SRK in it because he adds freshness and Aamir in another sports theme is a little repetitive.
Aamir in Swades (post Gowarikar and Lagaan) would have got a much bigger opening than SRK.
These are my thoughts. Some actors suit certain roles (Sanju-LRM), some actors have alliances that work wonders (SRK with YashRaj/Dharma or Hrithik/Filmcraft) etc.
To suggest Aamir maxises out at 50Cr you using RDB which released 2 years ago now nearly. In todays money a RDB would make more not only in terms of inflation, but economics are better today.
There is plenty of debating points here.
rks 2 January 2008
11:08:22 am
Tango: If CDI released in 850 print count should have earned 40cr?
Tango 2 January 2008
11:08:23 am
Beld agree with you totally -”Jay I guess you didnt read the proven or unproven part. But ya cdi would have made 65 with welcome and ya I think welcome would have made less.
Srk always beats the competition unlike the othe moronic khans couldn’t resist that eh shet?”
Spl because you like both Amir & SRK equally.
Tango 2 January 2008
11:13:39 am
Rks- “Tango: If CDI released in 850 print count should have earned 40cr?”
No but would have surely crossed 30-32 crores, given the magical pick up.
Julie 2 January 2008
11:13:39 am
“Otherwise NL should have opened like HB, BB or welcome.”
rks agreed. But NL was predominantly a female led script with Katrina Kaif (a relative newcomer at that stage) having a lion’s share of the total script. And we know what treatment is meted out to female led scripts in India. Still it is noteworthy that both NL and Bhool B sprung to life the moment Akshay made an entry.
beldevere 2 January 2008
11:16:20 am
Jay, exactly dude. That’s why I said it can’t be proved or disproved. Damn is it disproved or unproved. Too many scotches in the system.
Btw, I agree with you only on swades. I somehow feel that is one movie where aamir would have earned more than srk did for the movie I mean. Tho I think srk fitted the role perfectly! Its something to do with dumb srk fans being selective on srk movies and smart aamir fans who watch everything he does
And tango, other than me you are probably the only guy in ng who believes that I like aamir….lol
som 2 January 2008
11:16:30 am
i dont think its fair to compare a massy movie like Welcome with a small budgeted movie like TZP.Aamir’s star power cant be judged correctly on the basis of TZP.it is a well known fact that movies that are different ,lack the so called masalas dont really manage to get a good opening at the boxoffice nomatter who is the star of the movie.Swades,CDI,TZP are some of the best examples we could have.
even Akshay outside his comedy genre looks very vunerable.how were the opening of his movies like NL and JM!definitely not good by any means.before paasing on judgement on someone’s star power, we have to first see the genre(subject)of the movie where he has worked.
jayshah 2 January 2008
11:17:07 am
‘Genre (Subject) is very important in conjunction with star power’
Our points crossed and completely agree.
Beld I am not actually debating who is the bigger star here. It is ‘how to judge’ who is the bigger star. One needs to use the right tools here. Your looking at the results here. I am looking a step before at the film that has released and what kind of gross this film can attain. A film like OSO is always going to open bigger than CDI no matter what. That it opened nearly twice as big reveals far more about the type of film we are talking about then anything else.
som 2 January 2008
11:20:16 am
“But NL was predominantly a female led script with Katrina Kaif (a relative newcomer at that stage) having a lion’s share of the total script.”
i disagree, to be honest NL it was never a female led script.barring the first 20 minutes or so, it was Akshay’s film all the way.
rks 2 January 2008
11:21:29 am
“No but would have surely crossed 30-32 crores, given the magical pick up.”
Even if I agree, then it would have given false notion that movie is running in empty cinema hall! It could have harmed the film prospects in long run.
@BOI
NL release with 492 cinema, did 15.65cr
Bhagam Bhag (556 cinema 21.45cr).
37% more NETT on 10% more screen!
beldevere 2 January 2008
11:21:45 am
Jay
I am not comparing oso and cdi or tzp. I am not even comparing cdi and tzp. I was respondin h to some comment here, don’t even know which one !, where I am comparing diff actors doing same movie. It is esoteric I know but kya karoon, just wanted to have a debate.
jayshah 2 January 2008
11:24:12 am
‘NL release with 492 cinema, did 15.65cr
Bhagam Bhag (556 cinema 21.45cr).’
And the explanation here is nothing to with Akshay Kumar. Its genre + BB had Govinda/Paresh + NL released during WC, plus some minor factors. Everything affects the film, even if small.
Julie 2 January 2008
11:25:04 am
som I disagree. NL was a Katrina led movie in my view. The subject revolved predominantly around her life. Even BB had Akshay’s entry much much later on the screen.
jayshah 2 January 2008
11:27:01 am
Beld you mean you made me write all that just cos you wanted to have a debate! What a waste of my time
Ravi 2 January 2008
11:30:13 am
The main difference I see in SRK and Aamir is that in almost every role that SRK does, you see SRK not the character that he plays where as with Aamir in most of his movies you see the character and not Aamir. But, people like it that way for SRK I guess because people are lapping it up, so all the power to them.
One more thing Akshay Kumar might not have the prestige projects that the other have right now but credit needs to be given where it is due, If Welcome released with Nana and Anil with a smaller star no way it gets even half the opening or the gross and Akshay needs to be given complete credit for that and this is the year he has some very good projects which should put him in the top league, he is almost there but even now I would put my bets on HR, SRK and Aamir opening movies better than Akshay but he is almost there and deserves each and every iota of credit for working his way up after all these years. There is nothing not to like about him or anything to dislike about him.
jayshah 2 January 2008
11:32:21 am
‘There is nothing not to like about him or anything to dislike about him’
Totally. And after watching NL for second time, he put in a good perf there. Barring some pretty silly (bordering on ridiculous scenes taking the piss out of us Brits
) the movie is quite good.
beldevere 2 January 2008
11:33:03 am
Ravi splendid assessment.
Jay given that your cursed bo report is going to make me lose a bet, you better waste your time on pointless debates.
jayshah 2 January 2008
11:36:08 am
LOL Beld. Bechara…
Is this why you put off watching TZP? To save the pennies and have a chance of winning the bet by not contributing?
You might still win, you never know. You should have said 50Cr..Aamir doesn’t break 50Cr in good movies apparantly
beldevere 2 January 2008
11:39:09 am
Ravi, the point you make on nothing to dislike abt akshay is true to a large extent. Except for sandy I think everyone in ng tolerates akshay. For sandy akshay made a cardinal sin of releasing his movie with aamir’s
. Poor akshay, poor tango…lol
jayshah 2 January 2008
11:41:46 am
Beld, I think Sandy cannot tolerate some of the movies he does as opposed to just him. Big difference. Its my problem with SRK and Dharma/YashRaj stuff. Cannot tolerate the movies, but it comes off as disliking SRK which is true in these movies but not others.
beldevere 2 January 2008
11:42:31 am
Jay
Haarke jeetne waalon ko baazigar kehte hain
Damn, where is kajol? Time for baazigar main baazigar…..
rks 2 January 2008
11:42:32 am
would like to see a solo Akshay movie to gauge his real BO power (where does he stacks up against big three).
Ravi 2 January 2008
11:44:54 am
Beld, From what I have been reading looks like Tango bhai has an inherent dislike for Aamir bcoz he thinks that Aamir plays along everyone the media, the public etc to have them think that he is a kind of a saint where in Tango bhai’s opinion he feels that Aamir is exactly like SRK who uses the media etc for their benefit and Tango bhai feels that SRK catches the heat for using his marketing techniques where as Aamir does not and so was blasting Aamir for the last few weeks and that is where the war of words had started between Tango bhai and Sandhya.
I guess cannot blame either of them bcoz if Tango bhai went of pn Bachchan like that I would have been pissed too and looks like Tango bhai had his reasons to go on against Aamir. So ….
beldevere 2 January 2008
11:49:25 am
Oh no Ravi. You got it all wrong. Sandy has a crush on satyam and satyam wants to crush tango
so its essentially you boss or ibos relationship!
NyKavi 2 January 2008
12:17:55 pm
I do understand Tango’s frustration, as he often says “Hamaam mein sab nange hain”. Off course, everyone has to use media in this day and age. If SRK used a cricket match to promote OSO, Aamir used some kids TV programs to do the same. So yes, there is no difference. Its business off course, and every trick to boost revenues will remain fair. And again, without a good movie, whatever a producer tries, whatever hype,media blitz,etc. none will succeed. So in both those cases, ie OSO and TZP, the worth of the movies was essential in pulling them along.
But I think that we are trying to mix too many things here: media usage, BO talk, movie message, star power, drawing power, talent..etc.
Personally for me TZP is the singularly most powerful movie to ever come out of Bwood because of its core message. Luckily, Aamir was at the helm, and due to his talent, excellent media management, star power etc., this message which is very important to my life is being propogated far and wide. As I said earlier, if this message is clearly understood by the intended recepients, it will definitely salvage the lives of lots of kids who would otherwise sink without the kind of intervention that this movie displays so powerfullly.
And so, BO or not, star power or not, if Aamir has been able to pull this off, a big Kudos to him.
I will definitely try to share this movie with more affected parents, and try to make it a must see movie that Early Intervention Programs around here can utilize.
rks 2 January 2008
12:24:10 pm
“If SRK used a cricket match to promote OSO, Aamir used some kids TV programs to do the same. So yes, there is no difference”
On face value there is no difference but I think how people perceive them in these outings is different.
Mr. Bond 2 January 2008
12:31:38 pm
I agree with NyKavi that Aamir nay sub ka dil jeet liya with the subject/topic in TZP. This is a growing problem in kids all over the world and the parents are really thankful to him for coming out with this wonderful movie. Once again he will dominate Bollywood for “prestige” if not for sheer BO numbers.
Ravi 2 January 2008
12:32:04 pm
Agree with you Nykavi , but I think that this movie is not only for the parents of the affceted kids but every parent and every kid because in India growing up there is always an amount of pressure on the kids, it is as if the parent wants to mould the kid into what he or she wanted to do but could not this putting more burden on the kid from a very small age.
When we were growing up there was only one way to discipline a kid and that was to be strict with them and so would include lots of slaps etc and always comparison with other kids and brothers/sisters etc and would be constantly reminded as to what we would need to be when we grew up, which in lot of our cases really did not turn out bad but obviously we react lot different with our kids now, we try to reason with them and try to explain to them as to why it is wrong and what should be done instead of just saying it is wrong and punishing them for it, this would be a reminder to people that there are other ways to deal with kids and that could be by being their friend.
I remember my childhood teachers some of them frikkin sadistics who used to hit us with the dusters on the knuckles, I am all for discipline but it needs to be moderated and lot of thinks can be accomplished with love while being stern instead of being a dictator, I see this change in the way lot of my friends treat their kids back in India also, it will be slowly coming I think.
rks 2 January 2008
12:41:20 pm
My Opinion
jayshah 2 January 2008
12:43:06 pm
TZP touches on many issues, hence why I personally feel its impossible to review the movie because it affects personally.
If its the parental pressure issue or even neglecting of kids
There is the issue around dyslexia or other issues that affect a child from maximising education
The role of a teacher and how its not just a ‘job’. Its a very affecting job much like being a nurse or doctor, you really have to love the job to make it a success
And of course just letting kids be at a very young age, the pressure of education will always be there but now it comes earlier and earlier in every kids life due to competitive nature of world
There is an awful lot TZP tries to display but even 2hrs30mins won’t do justice to it. I mean Aamir has only peaked into the life of one such child, but he could have easily made a film on Ishaan’s brother who is completely different mould.
Mr. Bond 2 January 2008
12:44:14 pm
Some people are complaining that awards don’t mean anything or are unfair – but the point to ponder is that everyone used to be very happy for the same awards when SRK was being nominated for 2 or 3 films in the same category. I think most of them are pretty fair. Yes, Akki could have been nominated but did not act better than SRK in CDI or Abhi in Guru and let’s face it Big B was good in Cheeni Kum. It’s not necessary that if a film is a big hit the lead should be nominated. It depends upon acting. Just like OSO was a very hug blockbuster but SRK did not act as well in it as he did in CDI, so he was not nominated for it
jayshah 2 January 2008
12:50:04 pm
Films usually display messages in extravagant ways. One can see what RDB was trying to attempt, some agree and some don’t. TZP is similar and again I don’t think it offers any solution but it does display the basic foundation of a role of parent or teacher and that is simply to give a damn.
Ravi 2 January 2008
12:50:23 pm
I agree with your reasoning rks , but my thing is we cannot give complete freedom like the western societies or completely strict like our thing in India, it has to be somewhere in the middle, I always stress the importance of education to my kids, when I go to a Mcdonalds my kid sees a 45 year old person working there and wants to find out why she is working there instead of going to a office like Mom and Dad and we explain to her “that is the difference in being educated” where you can choose multiple better options compared to people not wanting to study and dropping off (and innumerable examples like that).
My saying is that we need to be stern and put down our foot where needed but most of the time try to be like their friend and understand what the strengths and weaknesses of each of them are, as each kid is different and the more we know about them the more we could be like a friend and a advisor.
Any extremity is not good, moderation is the best that is why we have you at NG.
Ravi 2 January 2008
12:55:11 pm
Very well said Jay, could not have said it better.
You have too much of a matured head for your age, you need to be thinking of getting laid with all those waitresses waiting, than about kids and their education etc.
NyKavi 2 January 2008
12:59:28 pm
Well the scenes depicting the teachers were absolutely realistic of what many have experienced in school. Its been 25 yrs since I was in the 5th grade, so I dont know if Indian Schools still have teachers that rap knuckles, or throw chalks or verbally abuse kids. But it wud be very rare for that to happen in the US.
JS- the movie actually does offer a solution. The happy ending is not a fantasy, it is exactly what does happen to kids with such disabilities who undergo therapies. I know its almost impossible to cure autism, strong asperger’s and such more extreme cases of the learning disability spectrum. But for problems such as dyslexia,speech disability, inadequate motor skills, physical inflexibility, etc. sustained speech/physical/occupational therapy does work. In the movie, they show Amir saying “it will only take 2-3 hours extra by each teacher”. That is exactly what is prescribed in real life. Just a cpl of hours extra attention that teachers give to such kids makes a huge difference. Aamir couldve gone much more technical into the symptoms, cures, remedies etc., but then it wud just become a documentary, and lose its complete commercial viability.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
01:01:15 pm
yes Ravi but sometimes in life even educated people have to work in Macdo…it’s not only about education it’s about luck too!Despite being educated and having my SC i worked in a Hotel getting kicks et al and i worked 1 year in a textile industry.Being educated is not all sad but true…I”m not even entering into corruption and favoritism…
AS GANDHI SAID ONE DOESN’T LOOSE DIGNITY IN A JOB WHATEVER THAT JOB MAYBE.
jayshah 2 January 2008
01:11:31 pm
LOL Ravi !
NyKavi – I think I mentioned the key thing is to give a damn. And completely agree with what you say the movie is saying. But I find the movie personal for a few reasons. Of course being a child is one, but I’ve also taught kids and the kind of attempt Aamir’s character made to being a teacher is what every teacher should strive to be.
ILG 2 January 2008
01:13:05 pm
Sound points all around for a change,Jay,RKS,Ravi,Beld,KmKm.
rks 2 January 2008
01:17:53 pm
Ravi:”My saying is that we need to be stern and put down our foot where needed but most of the time try to be like their friend and understand what the strengths and weaknesses of each of them are”
I agree. My experience has been, if you remain firm with kid (with some undercurrent of fear), the kids more often follow you. My philosophy is to inculcate common sense; Rest would follow.
kmkm13:”AS GANDHI SAID ONE DOESN’T LOOSE DIGNITY IN A JOB WHATEVER THAT JOB MAYBE.”
Completely Agree.
Ravi 2 January 2008
02:02:31 pm
Agree with you Kmkm13 , but you did not get my point. I am not saying that working in Mcdonalds is low, I came to the US as a F-1 visa and wworked in a $4.25 job while studying so been there and done that.
The thing I was saying is we should not let the kids think it is ok if they get a job and work at Mcdonalds for a living , I am not putting any one down but want the kids to think about achieving more than being contended working at a Macdonals which is a easy way out.
jayshah 2 January 2008
02:12:13 pm
I think everyone has there fair share of working at Mcdays or similar. Usually go through this phase in teens to earn some dosh for that car or to impress the ladies or to give free burgers to your mates. But its ideally not long term prospect unless you want to takeover mcdays empire. Essentially I guess as a parent you want your kid to be happy in his/her job and earning enough to fend for themselves and potential family. Beyond that depends – I know my dad always wanted me to be an acountant and I scuppered that dream as quickly as I could ! But never put under pressure to do it so that was the main thing for me.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
02:16:18 pm
you think so Ravi what i said is that sometimes in life it’s hard to find a job.you think kids think it’s cool to work in a Macdo,that it’s an easy way out i think sometimes one is forced to do it.Kids should be told to do their best even if they don’t make it at least they’ve tried THEY WON’T BE LOVED ANY LESS.Life is all about compromises if one is left no choice than to work in Macdo so be it but life continues even while working one can learn.but agreed one should aim higher in life even if it comes with pressure and sometimes disillusion….
jayshah 2 January 2008
02:18:01 pm
Well said kmkm13
rks 2 January 2008
02:18:55 pm
” think everyone has there fair share of working at Mcdays or similar. Usually go through this phase in teens to earn some dosh for that car or to impress the ladies or to give free burgers to your mates.”
I think, I will let ( or force) the kid to study than earn @ federal minimum rate (once I discussed with tyler in chatbox
). If the kid utilizes that time he/she is going to earn a lot more, later in life.
jayshah 2 January 2008
02:22:12 pm
I was referring to summer jobs or part time jobs too. If it was a choice between working and studying I know which is the sensible choice and which is what I’d rather do
(I’d choose Option C and do sod all)
rks 2 January 2008
02:22:36 pm
My above point is relevent when parents can afford to send their kids to school.
If you don’t have money then kmkm13 point is relevant.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
02:23:14 pm
That being said it’s very difficult to raise kids now .Wouldn’t have thought of that earlier but i think every parent deserve a medal.It’s a tough to look after a kid will only get tougher….
jayshah 2 January 2008
02:25:50 pm
‘That being said it’s very difficult to raise kids now’
I met my old skool teacher few weeks back and she said kids have gotten worse over the yrs. Now they swear and really are rude. I guess it is more difficult but certain aspects are more rosier than my parents generation. Least we have the option to study…alot of that generation either didn’t or couldn’t since they had to get jobs to survive.
Ravi 2 January 2008
02:26:24 pm
Well said Kmkm13, I always tell my kids give it your best shot, and that is what matters more.
They wil be loved irrespective of what they end up doing but the goal is making sure that they have a goal set high enough and not cop out and take the easy way out.
I used to own a couple of Dunkin donuts and had kids work for me and had couple of kids drop out of school because they were making some money and that was easier than going to school and studying(for them) bu this is an extreme case, but it happens is what I wanted to point out.
kmkm13 2 January 2008
02:32:14 pm
Also Ravi i would say this that school in itself won’t be enough one should really make other kinds of learning to one’s kid like learning another language,interest in Art,or whatever.So that the learning process is not left alone to school one learns more by oneself….curiosity factor should be elevated.
sandy 2 January 2008
06:41:01 pm
“The contention arose when there are allusions made about BO draw and star power. While we are giving due credit to the directoral and creative abilites of Aamir, the topic of BO is highly debatable and nothing speaks louder than final numbers.”
Julie, you are getting it wrong. Welcome having a better first week than TZP is no indication of star power. That’s not a valid argument at all. I’ve always said that BO clout of SRK and Aamir and then followed by Akshay and Hrithik are ‘interchangable’ according to the genre and banner of the film. Let’s not confuse this. A few crores here and there can happen but otherwise, I really think the genre makes all the difference. Of course SRK and especially Aamir have shown how they can pull in audiences with WOM even if the initial is tepid.
Aside: A lot of people are suggesting how Aamir couldn’t open TZP well. This is quite deplorable, esp when one knows that there was a multiplex issue and the subject was riskier as hell. Without any multiplex issues, it would have opened in the same range as a CDI! Adn that says a lot!
“Except for sandy I think everyone in ng tolerates akshay. For sandy akshay made a cardinal sin of releasing his movie with aamir’s
. Poor akshay, poor tango…lol”
Beld: Again, those ridiculous, knee-jerk assumptions!! I greatly prefer Akshya Kumar to Hrithik Roshan as an actor. I think I’m the greatest fan of his Khiladi, Aitraaz and Khakee…even Mohra and Hera Pheri. But off late, he’s not done any substantial work from the critical stand point. Even Satyam, who has the highest regard for Akshay, wouldn’t debate on this point.
In my books, I can’t ignore that.
beldevere 2 January 2008
07:28:58 pm
Ach was right on sandy. You are just going overboard with tzp. The remark on akshay was in jest and not ridiculous or knee jerk. Just go and check your akshay comments in the last 2 weeks.
You seem to be finding some dark hidden hypothesis for every small thing. Chill yaar.
sandy 2 January 2008
08:32:51 pm
Beld: Very convenient. How come you didn’t feel the same thing when i as taking on Satyam on CDI?!
You’re asking me to go and check my comments on Akshay of last two weeks I say, you go and check it out and tell me where is te innsitency in my opinion? I’ve said I like him as an actor but not his films. And since I don’t look at star power, exusively from the prism of Box-office, he doesn’t topple either Aamir or SRK in my books. You’e making me out to be some kind of a radical when actually I’m just stating what appears very logical me.
sandy 2 January 2008
08:54:48 pm
Beld: I’ve always been passionate about films I love and it’s unfortunate that TZP is being singled out, just because it suits some people here.
In any case, I don’t see the need to tone down on my extreme praise for an extremely good film.
Here’s something Oscar Wilde’s said about nuetrality in criticism, you might appreciate it.
“A critic cannot be fair in the ordinary sense of the word. It is only about things that do not interest one that one can give a really unbiassed opinion, which is no doubt the reason why an unbiassed opinion is always absolutely valueless.
The man who sees both sides of a question, is a man who sees absolutely nothing at all. Art is a passion, and, in matters of
art, thought is inevitably coloured by emotion”
rks 2 January 2008
09:09:21 pm
“The man who sees both sides of a question, is a man who sees absolutely nothing at all.”
All my opinions on films are valueless
It is good to have people through out the spectrum!
beldevere 2 January 2008
10:06:57 pm
sandy – if anyone is taking to convenient cliches – its you. nobody is questioning your fervour in doing what you please – but in this fervour you are taking comments made in jest to heart. as far me not supporting satyam – when you took him on – or whatever – WTH! i was just responding to comments you made to me here. where does satyam come into this??
and probably it would behoove eneryone including yourself to read that Wilde comment. because everyone has bias and everyone has opinions on movies. so it doesnt make people banias or chamanni because their taste is different…
beldevere 2 January 2008
10:10:55 pm
and sandy, you know damn well – that i respect your opinions almost all the time. and if there is anyone who is unbiased towards members in NG – its you. So me calling you radical etc is ridiculous yaar. I was pulling your leg based on your last 2 week comments that you hate akshay because he released Welcome with TZP.
beldevere 3 January 2008
01:25:08 am
btw – check out Raja Sen’s top 10 cool movies of the year. i think this guy must love hate mail. He has got Johny Gadaar as the coolest movie of the year – which is cool IMO
there is no Guru nor TZP but he has Eklavya..
akshay shah 3 January 2008
04:47:42 pm
Nice list here…
The Bachchans both clash for BEST ACTOR–interesting to say the least! My vote goes to Abhishek for GURU:-)
The exclusion of Pankuj Kapur for DHARM baffles me!?!?!
“Anil Kapoor – Welcome
Govinda – Partner
Irrfan Khan – Life in A… Metro
Nana Patekar – Welcome
Vinay Pathak – Bheja Fry”—-NO DOUBT the hardest category IMO….
A.Shah
akshay shah 3 January 2008
04:52:00 pm
Tango: On Akki I don’t think he’s given a Nomination worthy performance for the BEST ACTOR category though I was surprised at no nom in the BEST COMEDIAN category which is what he always seems to get as a consoliation prize(he rejected it for GM))….maybe thats why..
As for Vidya–now thats ANNOYING to say the least!
Interesting debate on TZP…all the more! curious to check this out!