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Raj, MNIK should end around 73 cr from India, Theatrically.
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Dhoni is one of the best wicket keepers now. Dont complain about the few dropped catches. He has caught some ...
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abid 13 January 2007
12:27:15 pm
Just to add , it went off air after it became clear that Bluffmaster had failed to become a hit at the box-office .
Note- The budget of ‘Guru’ is already down by about 4-5 crores to 12 crores
abid 13 January 2007
12:45:08 pm
Wisdom pearls
Guru – Already a hit ( in 2 days)
Kabul Express- Already a flop
Bhagam Bhag at 36 crores , just an above average
satyam 13 January 2007
12:45:51 pm
Actually BM would have grossed 25 crores at IBOS. It was well ahead of BOI numbers in the first 2 weeks. This logic has always seemed a bit bizarre to me. if IBOS cook up numbers as has been claimed by its oponents what was the problem with BM! As to whether it’s a hit or not I’m not going to debate it once more.
I am glad IBOS is back and the BOI tyranny has ended!
satyam 13 January 2007
12:47:56 pm
Here’s their report on Guru:
Mani Ratnam’s 12 crore film is emerging a grosser. Fri-Sat All India collections are on par with big budget moneyspinners. Best in South, Bombay, Gujrat & Bengal. Strong in overseas also. Standing only crowds reported in Boston on Friday…
abid 13 January 2007
12:51:09 pm
Well , lets leave BM , but Guru has been declared a HIT already in 2-days ( u can see it flashing ) on ehat basis ?
Plus at 36 crores why is Bhagam Bhag just an above average ?
Khalnayak 13 January 2007
12:51:40 pm
“Nothing more to add about agendas and motives !”
Agree Completely abid!!
Khalnayak 13 January 2007
12:54:35 pm
Guru has opened on a lower not for sure.. even Taran reported. besides him BOI, Indiaglitz, CNN-IBN all have said the same (though WOM is positive) so there is no Guru will become a hit any sooner!
abid 13 January 2007
12:55:08 pm
Khalnayak – Lets wait for week one numbers after that if ‘Guru’ is a hit nothing can stop it . In fact I have already accepted that it is likely to be one but on what basis has it already been declared a hit already ?
Plus the timing shows desperation .
abid 13 January 2007
12:57:34 pm
I have already heard what Komal has to say and also what Taran has said in the print media today .
I will not divulge it and let the numbers speak for themself next Saturday .
007 13 January 2007
01:00:23 pm
I guess just like “some” people have shown desparation for “Don” by putting up posts after posts for several months. LOL
Khalnayak 13 January 2007
01:01:08 pm
Guru has tremendous WOM, it will definitely help it but calling it a hit in 2 days is just rubbish!
abid 13 January 2007
01:06:27 pm
007 the number of posts about Don will be 50% compared to to those about Guru , no harm but ultimately Don’s biggest detractor Taran who went on and on about ‘average to above average’ till the very end jumped a couple of notches to ’semi-hit’ in the annual rating , wonder why no one discussed it ?
henry 13 January 2007
01:10:25 pm
Agree with Khalnayak and Abid. Calling Guru a hit already is just absurd.
Of course, IBOS couldn’t have a found better time to fix all the issues they were having, and re-launch.
Khalnayak 13 January 2007
01:13:40 pm
Now one thing is certain that the verdict of Guru will never be clear.. There will two ways abt it.
I will be more inclined toward Taran and BOI since as far as i remember IBOS even had Boom as a ‘hit’ lol..
Khalnayak 13 January 2007
01:18:05 pm
Desperation is the right word Abid and i dun think how can anyone deny that. I am not a huge of neither Amitabh and Shahurkh but i can see why IBOS suddenly came back!
Even if BOI have agendas they are definitely not on the same level as IBOS..
PS: Except BNB which other Bachcahn film has been undereported by BOI?!? Abid or Satyam can you shed some light??
rajen 13 January 2007
01:24:06 pm
Guys the battlelines have been drawn.
Let the drums roll the bows and arrows come out.
Esy to see,who is on what side.Not that could not have predicted it.
I am on the side of good cinema(like D2!)
Qalandar 13 January 2007
01:39:15 pm
No film can be a hit in one day. I said that when BOI declared KANK and D2 as hits within hardly any time at all, and I say that vis-a-vis Guru too.
Personally, on a different note, I find it hard to believe BM had anything to do with IBOS’ departure: because if they are faking figures, why didn’t they just fake some for BM? It doesn’t add up. Not to mention that the same argument could be made of BOI: they were offline for weeks, but returned just in time to tell us that Guru had a subpar opening.
And Khalnayak, Guru’s opening is subpar if BOI’s 40-50% is accepted; recall that the opening figures given by CNN-IBN, NDTV etc. are all in the 60+% range, which is Bhaagam Bhaag and Don territory.
More sources is almost always a good thing as far as I am concerned, unless one has a demonstrably better or worse record (on these facts I cannot conclude that either BOI or IBOS or anyone else has “proved” a case), provided none is taken as the gospel truth (I note that Krrish outgrosses LRM according to IBOS, something that other media sources like Rediff and all also say, but personally I find that hard to believe, though of course I cannot prove it).
Just my two cents; though I do hope NG 2.0 doesn’t go down the acrimonious path of its predecessor.
Khalnayak 13 January 2007
01:48:07 pm
Qalandar BOI was never onffline. They were reporting new films every week, it was just the extra bits of news section they haven’t updated since 26 dec..
Its strange that i am defending BOI here lol but i can safely say its a way better source then IBOS.
sujith 13 January 2007
01:48:19 pm
“I have already heard what Komal has to say and also what Taran has said in the print media today .I will not divulge it and let the numbers speak for themself next Saturday .”
Is it finally going to be revealed then that Komal is………Luke’s father ? Those numerologists must have said next Saturday is auspicious for such announcements
Jesse 13 January 2007
02:53:37 pm
I predicted this. I can’t find the link, but I believe in Joginder’s BO column this week I said that IBOS will be up to announce Guru’s first week.
My opinion on the IBOS vs BOI debate is simple: both are not reliable in any sense, and there is no proof to show that their numbers are accurate in any sense. And on the topic whether they have their own bias, that really doesn’t take much to figure out that they are extremely bias. Here’s hoping that this “war” will lead to some sort of more official BO site where the numbers could be validated.
Jesse 13 January 2007
03:07:18 pm
OK checked out the site now. As of right now it there is no access to any archives, but it is nice to see English/Tamil/Telugu beside Hindi. Hopefully they can do weekly updates for those.
Nonetheless, the numbers are obviously different from BOI. Vivah is probably the biggest difference as IBOS has 10 cr more for its total. Don is about 6 cr less on IBOS at 44.3 instead of BOI 50 cr. Nice to see a different opinion, although it is impossible to tell who is right here.
Jesse 13 January 2007
03:13:54 pm
By the way, has anyone noticed that Taran is reporting “totals” on a little chart that is found in the bottom left corner of indiafm. Of course, Taran’s totals are far more reliable as he only puts out confirmed numbers and does not estimate for uncounted screens.
cticize 13 January 2007
03:21:30 pm
Can’t believe Babul below average …thats really showing agenda.
Qalandar 13 January 2007
03:25:55 pm
Jesse, I definitely remember your prediction bro, you were spot on; also like your sober analysis of the situation…
satyam 13 January 2007
03:29:56 pm
Surely it’s the height of paranoia to think that IBOS folded because of BM. The film had 18 crores in 2 weeks at IBOS when the site stopped working and would have ended up close to 25 crores over there! PLus BM is considered a hit in the popular media. Most recently the Filmfare cover story on Abhishek marked BnB, Sarkar, Dus, BM as hits. It was certainly a hit in Bombay and the overseas with less elsewhere. The point though is this:
1)one can say IBOS cooks up numbers but in this case why couldn’t they do the same for BM? Why did they stop functioning?
2)Even if they had to disappear why did they do so for a year?
BM is some kind of success so no one has to hide anywhere. Of course the detractors also have to decide on this one. Sometimes the same people who call it ‘not a hit’ also say it was one because of Nana and Ritesh and Boman Irani and Tinnu Anand (might as well!). Which is it?!
One can believe anything one chooses to but to say that a site disappeared for this reason (when the reason is patently untrue, i.e. about the film’s gross) is frankly paranoid!
satyam 13 January 2007
03:32:21 pm
Kalnayak: The BOI examples are too many to enumerate though I’ve provided different ones at different times. Given their ‘clinical’ treatment of LRM in terms of the writeups versus their ecstatic ones for D2 (after saying right away that Hrithik was getting the credit, a first for them!), given the fact that you yourself were not happy with the LRM treatment I wouldn’t be too keen to use BOI anywhere if I were you!
satyam 13 January 2007
03:33:35 pm
But anyone who follows both sites will be able to see the difference in professionalism.
Cticize and some of the others are right though. Guess they have a pro-Vivah agenda!
satyam 13 January 2007
03:34:38 pm
Jesse: That’s a good point. While the totals are not complete these are at least more verifiable.
cticize 13 January 2007
03:40:56 pm
Lol…on Guru they have called HIT bit too early but glad my prediction of 60% start is substantiated and it improved on weekends which helps further
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henry 13 January 2007
03:41:40 pm
“Can’t believe Babul below average …thats really showing agenda.”
yea, I didn’t even notice that…how the hell is Baabul not a FLOP?
cticize 13 January 2007
03:51:23 pm
Yeah…hehehe
Khalnayak 13 January 2007
04:05:36 pm
I agree Satyam and i dun trust BOI much either but see IBOS has even Krrish making more money then LRM which BOI didn’t. I think for whatever it is, BOI is still a bit more reliable site then IBOS. IBOS might be reliable too but certainly not on Bachcahn films!
satyam 13 January 2007
04:24:56 pm
I think their Bachchan numbers are actually very reasonable and the only reason these seem greater is because BOI pulls these down. Their SRK numbers are usually among the highest. 44 crores for Don is 2-4 crores more than I would give it. the 50 crore Don total is fiction as far as I’m concerned. Again 36 crores for BB seems to be on the money. Their Vivah total is significantly higher than everyone else’s. I don’t think they have a Shahid Kapoor agenda! I am surprised with their Babul number — 19 crores. Didn’t think it did as much but if it did it cannot be a total flop by any stretch.
satyam 13 January 2007
04:27:12 pm
By the way here’s the Telegraph on the Guru advance in Calcutta (if this is true the Calutta number could be lower in week 1 but also more stable in the following weeks):
AB-Ash vs January jinx
- First weekend advance rush ratifies Guru’s selective release strategy
PRATIM D. GUPTA
Abhishek Bachchan and Aishwarya Rai in Guru
Will Abhishek Bachchan and Aishwarya Rai finally get as much attention on screen as they get off it? Will Mani Ratnam finally score at the box-office with an original Hindi film? Will Guru finally break the January jinx plaguing Bollywood for the past few years?
If the advance bookings for the first weekend at the Calcutta theatres are anything to go by, the answer to all the above questions is “yes”. Within a couple of hours of the advances opening on Wednesday, 50 per cent of tickets for the seven-shows-a-day weekend had gone at INOX (Forum) and no less than nine shows block-booked.
Adopting a strategy strictly against the Bollywood ploy of flooding the market with hundreds of prints, Guru’s city distributor Shree Venkatesh Films is releasing the film with as few as 12 prints. “We are very confident about Guru and do not want to exhaust the business in a couple of weeks by releasing the film with lots of prints,” discloses Mahendra Soni of Shree Venkatesh Films. “We plan to add more prints every week, as the word-of-mouth spreads,” he adds. In 2006, only Vivah had tried this strategy and the Rajshri production went on to become a big hit, growing stronger with every passing week.
satyam 13 January 2007
04:28:44 pm
In any case one should be happy as Qalandar said that IBOS is back and more views are available. One can choose the site one trusts.
Khalnayak 13 January 2007
04:57:14 pm
reasonable?? i guess to each his own Satyam. As Qalandar more views are available, so thats fine..
for me this sums IBOS.. Babul-19cr [Below Average] ’nuff said!
Qalandar 13 January 2007
05:08:19 pm
Re “…is releasing the film with as few as 12 prints.”
To be honest I wouldn’t have guessed that 12 prints was a low number in Calcutta; I wonder how many prints a film that did not have a limited release strategy would release on in that city…
henry 13 January 2007
05:24:49 pm
19 crore for Baabul…lol, even Ravi Chopra would say, “thoda zyada nahin ho gaya”
Jesse 13 January 2007
05:52:53 pm
I don’t want it to look as if I am backing IBOS as if they are the best, but here are my views on a few topics:
(1) Babul: Now IBOS has 19 cr and a “below average” tag. Doesn’t seem all that unreasonable to me. If you take of this weeks numbers we get 18.6 cr (4 week total). BOI has 17 cr for it’s two week total. Now, I may be wrong here but there isn’t a world of difference between IBOS and BOI on the topic of Babul. It’s 1.6 cr between the two sites and unless you truly believe that BOI has augmented their Babul total, I see nothing wrong here. There’s a MUCH larger difference in IBOS and BOI total for Vivah!!
And on the “below average” tag, I personally dispise these tags too much in the first place to comment too much here as rarely is any type of calculation shown before any site gives out any tag. However, I will say this: based on what I know “below average” is one step up from “flop”. Not a huge deal here, as the film could have been right on the bubble as far as flop and below average goes. Much like Omkara and LRM were last year, and BOI went with the “lower” status.
(2) On LRM being placed below Krrish in that graph at IBOS. If you zoom upto it both Krrish and D2 are shown well above 100 cr and LRM hovers beneath in just by a bit. So to be fair to IBOS this may not have anything to do with Domestic totals alone and maybe worldwode totals all together due to the huge figures.
Jesse 13 January 2007
06:14:47 pm
What I find interesting here is people attack IBOS using BOI totals and they choose Babul to pick on!! Vivah and Don seem like much easier targets.
Sameer 13 January 2007
06:17:09 pm
“Vivah is probably the biggest difference as IBOS has 10 cr more for its total. Don is about 6 cr less on IBOS at 44.3 instead of BOI 50 cr. Nice to see a different opinion, although it is impossible to tell who is right here”
If one got some knowledge of BO and numbers, they’ll know whats true; for a commoner its kinda difficult to judge. I mean, you can easily say that Vivah couldn’t have done around 34 crores so soon with his highest business coming from Bihar, Nizam and some smaller territories(none are big centres). Its the same way with majority of them.
Jesse 13 January 2007
06:18:49 pm
And finally on Guru, we will have to wait until the first week numbers. They have not said anywhere that Guru is already a hit, all they said is that it is a “grosser”. Nothing wrong with allowing them to make a prediction, especially when other sources do it all the time.
Sameer 13 January 2007
06:22:24 pm
btw, I really have no knowledge about IBOS, I really never looked into it before. Whenever I tried, it was down! So, it’ll be good to have some comparisons here!
Sameer 13 January 2007
06:26:32 pm
“Mani Ratnam’s 12 crore film is emerging a grosser. Fri-Sat All India collections are on par with big budget moneyspinners. Best in South, Bombay, Gujrat & Bengal. Strong in overseas also. Standing only crowds reported in Boston on Friday…”
Does this(‘Fri-Sat All India collections are on par with big budget moneyspinners’) mean that its on par with Krrish, KANK, D2???
Jesse 13 January 2007
06:32:49 pm
“If one got some knowledge of BO and numbers, they’ll know whats true! For a commoner its kinda difficult to judge. I mean, you can easily say that Vivah couldn’t have done around 34 crores so soon with his highest business coming from Bihar, Nizam and some smaller territories(none are big centres). Its the same way with majority of them.”
I don’t know if you were trying to infer that I was a “commoner” thus I have no knowledge on the BO in India. I must say that I am, but please Sameer go right ahead and prove it which total is “true”. And no a common consensus of a total for Don among many sources doesn’t cut it in this case. I could just as easily pay for a 15 domain name each that seem to operate independently, make up some numbers and give Don a 100 cr total but that doesn’t make it correct despite 15 “sources” saying so.
Sameer 13 January 2007
06:38:24 pm
Oh no Jesse, I didn’t mean that. I said that majority of them will never know whats the right total if two totals are put infront of them, but people like Abid and Joginder who are professional BO analyst can know the true picture. Thats what I meant. Once again, I wasn’t talking about you at all.
Jesse 13 January 2007
06:55:51 pm
But no offence to Abid or Joginder as I respect both of them quite a bit, but to be honest all they do is make estimations much like the people at IBOS. Abid and Joginder also use the same source (atleast from what I know), and thus their predictions are expected to be similar. So when every source is just making estimations, who really knows what the true picture is.
Qalandar 13 January 2007
07:56:04 pm
Jesse: Re: “On LRM being placed below Krrish in that graph at IBOS. If you zoom upto it both Krrish and D2 are shown well above 100 cr and LRM hovers beneath in just by a bit. So to be fair to IBOS this may not have anything to do with Domestic totals alone and maybe worldwode totals all together due to the huge figures.”
Actually, I believe IBOS is referring to the GROSS figures in this chart, not the NET figures (you see their tables at the top of the page have both). It is not a domestic vs. worldwide figure because if that were true then LRM would > Krrish by an even greater margin, as LRM did way better overseas than Krrish, which was actually the LEAST of the big films overseas.
Qalandar 13 January 2007
07:59:09 pm
Re: “Does this(’Fri-Sat All India collections are on par with big budget moneyspinners’) mean that its on par with Krrish, KANK, D2???”
To be fair Sameer, they might well mean films like Bhaagam Bhaag, PHP, etc., which I think is more realistic.
Jesse 13 January 2007
08:10:20 pm
Q: You are likely right regarding the figure totaling the GROSS. It also makes sense as well when you consider that LRM gained tax free status after a few weeks and that Krrish did better in smaller centers (that are more heavily taxed). Thus it is not impossible to believe that Krrish could have grossed more then LRM but still have netted less.
abid 13 January 2007
09:37:43 pm
I’ll leave the others but no way can a supeflop ‘Babul’ be ‘below average’ and at 36 crores how can ‘Bhagam Bhag’ be just an above average .
As far as ‘Guru’ is concerned its doing weel ,deservedly and hopefully succeed , something that I said on the day of its release .But to call it a HIT in two days is atrocious .
abid 13 January 2007
09:50:21 pm
Khalnayak & Criticise , Lage Raho Munnabhai is about 3.5 to 4 crores ahead of ‘Krrish’ at 70 crores and that is another big one from IBOS .
We talked to Komal recently and he told us that Krrish GROSS is 90 crores and Lage Raho Munnabhai nearly 100 crores GROSS .
jayshah 14 January 2007
07:15:28 am
This is brilliant. BOI caused enough issues and now we have IBOS back ! Ek lo Ek Muft !!
Can’t wait to dig into the Guru numbers…..