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“Whatever I do in films is completely illegal …!” – SRK’s take on infidelity & more!
http://movies.indiatimes.com/articleshow/811514.cms
Thank God it’s Friday!
For Shah Rukh it’s ‘prayer day’; also ‘arm flexing’ day. The phenomenon gets larger each Friday, like the Colossus of Rhodes; making stars of all shapes, sizes and density appear diminutive in comparison. And it amazes the star himself.
I mention worldwide filmi trends. Now, post ‘KANK’, everyone’s looking to have an extra-marital affair – just ‘coz SRK does it, it’s ‘legal’?
“Not at all. Whatever I do in films is completely illegal. What I do in real life is legal. But if you really want to know, what I do in real life is quite boring. What I do in films is larger than life. Sometimes it’s fantastic, at times awe-inspiring; but none of it is real. It’s fiction – like a good book. So you decide if you want your life to be real or fiction”.
In reality, you and Gauri are the perfect couple, but there’s a lot of curiosity in knowing how she reacted to your ‘unfaithful’ act?
“She didn’t like it. I think no woman would like it. When she saw the film she thought it was quite bold. Bold and beautiful. There was a little issue though. She didn’t like the character. Nobody is supposed to like him.”
But while on the subject, throughout your career (even pre-marriage), ever been attracted to married women in real life?
“Not really. I think I’m quite conventional, I won’t say I’m boring but I am pretty traditional. For a lot of things that I say in humour, for a lot of things that I accept in other people without passing a valid judgment or being judgmental, I’m personally not scared of saying that I’m a very conventional guy. I’m square and I think its quite hip to be square”.
So how do you deal with married women throwing themselves at you?
“Do they? Nobody does. Most of the women, pre-and-post-marriage, I’ve met are my friends so I can’t count them in that – and everybody gets married finally. I’ve never declared that married women have thrown themselves at me – unless I didn’t know that they were married, of course.”
There’s talk too that you’re looking a bit ‘tired’ your last few films; you don’t believe in Botox?
“If I had Botox I wouldn’t look tired. But when I try to play a character, instead of putting in too many crutches I become the character. I become that person. There are things that I have to explain. For example, if I have to be a flamboyant guy even without putting on much, without changing; my body language changes. That’s a plus of me as an actor. I don’t have to explain, the audience understands … and I really don’t know the essentials of Botox.”
Shah Rukh Khan – superstar. 40plus – fit and hunkier than he’s ever been. Secret?
“Just the blessings of God. Touchwood, my back pain is a lot less since last year. While in Malyasia, I was upto all kinds of fitness training and am continuing that. I’m feeling good and looking better. I play outdoor games like cricket and hockey and I feel good. That’s a good sign of fitness. I plan to keep it up …”
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Qalandar 16 December 2006
10:23:22 pm
Re: “She didn’t like the character. Nobody is supposed to like him”
LOL, that’s one way to spin a rotten performance. A character noone is supposed to like is different from a performance that sucks (see Saif in Omkara to know the difference)…
sujith 16 December 2006
10:48:08 pm
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007 17 December 2006
07:05:31 am
I agree with you Q. It was SRK’s worst performance ever.
Sameer 17 December 2006
07:29:01 am
Calling KANK SRK’s worst performance is the biggest compliment an actor can ask for!!!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
07:35:27 am
Whatever makes you happy Sameer
rajen 17 December 2006
08:25:19 am
Calling KANK SRK’s worst performance is the biggest compliment an actor can ask for!!!
There is a lot to choose from in terms of poor performances from SRK.So in that sense KANK was a landmark.
007 17 December 2006
08:50:48 am
Well, I guess SRK as Vijay in “Don” was another bad one….
Qalandar 17 December 2006
09:42:05 am
Well it was less noticeable in HTHS so I can’t say for sure, as everyone was pretty awful in that film, even Ash in her one scene! Hats off to Madhuri for essaying this role with conviction, though nothing could rescue this tripe…
Arun 17 December 2006
09:46:54 am
SRK’s worst ever for me,remains HTHS.All that sluttering and screaming..Sheesh!
Arun 17 December 2006
09:48:35 am
I was trying to edit that comment and ended up deleting it,So had to repost
henry 17 December 2006
09:49:39 am
SRK is definitely an acquired taste. I think people who strongly dislike SRK really don’t like any of of his performances, even DDLJ or KHKN. After all, it’s not like he didn’t ham in those films.
BTW I thought he was decent in HTHS…
Arun 17 December 2006
09:56:10 am
Swades,Paheli,KHNH,Baadshah,KHKN,Baazigar,Mohabbatein,Yes Boss,Dil Se,Darr..loved him in all these.So,Im not quite an SRK hater
satyam 17 December 2006
10:49:40 am
I disagree Henry. I don’t think SRK is an acquired taste. Most people liked him instantly when he became big. And while he was never a serious actor in my book he certainly had the energy and flamboyance as an actor to do the DDLJ sort of role more effectively than the competition. However he got stale very quickly and the signs of hamming were evident even as early as KKHH. But he still had the energy and the poise. But post-Mohabbatein (and I first saw signs of it in this film) SRK lost his confidence somewhere along the line, a lot of his energy, and if I could just sum it up I would say that his ‘heart’ didn’t seem to be in it as much. I think he then reached the point relatively quickly where he became irretrievable as quintessential SRK.
So I disagree that he was hamming in DDLJ or KHKN. I think this tendency developed later. Swades and Don to me reveal SRK’s problem as I see it much more than a MHN. Why? Because in Swades he is much better than usual but simply by being low energy and underplaying it as opposed to really turning in a good performance. On the other hand he comes off as a serious hammer in Don where he is totally out of his league. Actually in some sense I think he is preferable in KANK to Don.
I think a lot of people here (fairly or unfairly) react to the propagandistic aspect of SRK support. In other words Swades gets the kinds of reviews that Saif did for Omkara! Or Don is supposed to be the old SRK just because after KANK anything seems better. Don is NOT AT ALL the old SRK. Just put this alongside Baadshah and one will see the difference.
Goodfella pointed this out here once and I agree. SRK’s greatest asset was his energy. I would add his flamboyance as well. But he never capitalised on these to move into different avenues. He could easily have done more sensible projects at the same time that he was doing a Yashraj or a Karan Johar. And those films wouldn’t have hurt him much as English babu Desi Mem and Baadshah and Duplicate and what not didn’t really affect his standing in those films. he should have courted serious directors far more than he did. To be fair to him the system then wasn’t as helpful in this regard as it is now but clearly signing garbage left right and center because one wanted to build a new house didn’t help! And because he didn’t have any serious competition he wasn’t bothered. But films like Josh or Dil se or even Duplicate (nothing wrong with this one) was the way to go. He would have increased his acing credentials, he would certainly have had more prestige, and some film or the other would have hit the bull’s eye. Doing the ‘different’ stuff after Aamir means you’re already a follower.
Today I think it’s too late for SRK the actor, for one he’s not going to get the directors who will want to invest much in his reinvention, secondly he is too much a shadow of his old ways to do it on his own as an actor. As a star again it’s been diminishing returns for him and Don proves this far more than KANK for reasons that I’ve laid out endlessly elsewhere.
rajen 17 December 2006
11:21:39 am
SRK is not an acquired taste.He is like a bad after taste!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
01:23:10 pm
Yea-I dont think SRK is acquired taste at all either!!!!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:07:39 pm
Agree henry. Also, its news to me that SRK hammed in DON!!! LOL…did DON 2 come out? Coz …in DON, he was very good…didn’t see Don2 yet!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:11:03 pm
No one said he hammed in Don, I think 007 said he was very bad as Vijay IN Don…conversely Henry’s claim as I read it was that one really couldn’t draw any distinction as he hams all the time and hence there wasn’t any basis to say he was good in x and bad in y…
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:12:21 pm
I think someone said above!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:13:15 pm
My apologies Sameer, on re-reading his comment I see that Satyam has in fact said so.
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:17:04 pm
Also to be noted is the mention of SRK’s downslide started with Mohabbatein. Its very difficult to AB fanatics to accept that SRK won over AB in Mohabbatein in all quarters possible, I can understand the reason for counter attack…. AB looking weak infront of SRK is takleef dey baat hai!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:17:20 pm
He didn’t “ham” IMO..he was just plain irritating as Vijay in DON! But his performance as DON made up for it..
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:18:23 pm
And now we have AB/SRK comparisons? LOL!Nuff said:-)
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:18:50 pm
Re: “Its very difficult to AB fanatics to accept that SRK won over AB in Mohabbatein in all quarters possible”
I disagree entirely: LOL at the notion that SRK overshadowed Amitabh in Muhabbaten.
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:19:27 pm
Too much of being is made of Vijay’s role in DON. He has hardly 2 scenes in the movie and it quite often raised laughs!!!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:20:19 pm
Q: This is so unfair. SRK clearly won over AB in Mohabbatein, in the same way Dilip won over him in Shakti!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:20:36 pm
“raised laughs”..yea people were laughing AT SRK:(
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:21:00 pm
IMO SRK was very low energy and lacklustre in Muhabbaten, and from then on in general I have found him lacking in energy and verve, and that includes films like Chalte Chalte, KHNH, MHN, VZ, and KANK. I don’t think Amitabh has any connection to it, I just think that SRK’s portrayal of older, mature sorta individuals isn’t very good.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:21:17 pm
the SHAKTI argument is comparable..the MOHABBATEIN argument is..laughable IMO:-)!
rajen 17 December 2006
02:21:59 pm
Re: “Its very difficult to AB fanatics to accept that SRK won over AB in Mohabbatein in all quarters possible”
Now thats beyond wishful thinking.Not even a monkey high on coke can say something so ridiculous!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:22:34 pm
Re: “Q: This is so unfair. SRK clearly won over AB in Mohabbatein, in the same way Dilip won over him in Shakti!”
What’s “unfair” about it? You say this as if it is a fact– it is clearly a subjective opinion, and I strongly disagree. There’s nothing “unfair” about it; I could just as easily say you are being “unfair” when you say Amitabh seemed “weak” vis-a-vis SRK, but being a fairer chap I didn’t say that at all, simply that I disagreed completely.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:22:41 pm
I found him quiet boring in MOHABBATEIN too! V-Z was even worse-however Bachchan/Hema/Rani saved that movie( i cannot stand Preity here either)!The only movie where SRK ruled the ROOST with AB in the picture was K3G—-only becuz AB had one pathetic role!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:23:10 pm
Just the interval scene and climax scene of SRK’s talking about his reason for comeback stole the whole movie from everyone. That was the basis for Mohabbatein and SRK was pheomenal in that scenes. No 2 ways about it.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:23:51 pm
I also resent the insinuation that anyone who says Bachchan was NOT blown away by SRK in Muhabbaten is somehow an Amitabh fanatic…gimme a break!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:24:03 pm
Indeed only a matter of opinion…and I respect your opinion Sameer that you think SRK is better than AB in MOHABBATEIN..just like you think SRK is a better actor than Aamir Khan(another discussion I disagree with you whole heartedly on)
A.Shah
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:24:54 pm
I found SRK DAMN annoying in the climax scene..
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:24:56 pm
Re: “No 2 ways about it.”
If there were no two ways about it then no-one would be disagreeing with you. But this very thread shows that there ARE “2 ways about it” whatever you might say. You feel one way, I completely disagree. That’s all.
rajen 17 December 2006
02:25:06 pm
World view is kinda different from between SRK’s butt cheeks,I guess.I never tried but I guess some people reside there.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:25:55 pm
Rajen: LOL!!! Hahaha..subhe subhe kyun itna hassate ho mere yaar!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:26:26 pm
IMO, AB was not his usual self during that early comeback time. If MOhabbatein was now, it would be comparable. AB was so weak, even Govinda stole his show from him in BMCM. Actually to be fair, AB did a movie with Govinda in his strongest territory(comedy) and did a movie in SRK’s strongest territory. It was losing battle for him all the way and he did lose twice of them.
Q: I can see why you don’t like SRK in Mohabbatein, the same reason you dont like him in DON. Basically, you dont like SRK!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:27:32 pm
Sameer: I do agree that Govinda stole the show in BMCM-however I didn’t think SRK stole the show in MOHABBATEIN by any yardstick!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:28:39 pm
BTW–I find MOHABBATEIN one of the worst offences! Man…Aditya Chopra gtook such a HUGE step down as a film maker after DDLJ which this headache inducing junk!
rajen 17 December 2006
02:31:19 pm
I actually think DDLJ is overrated.By no means a classic. Immensely succesful.Entertaining.One of SRK’s best performances.But as a movie was not a classic by any standards.Everybody performed well,music was good.Was kind of first of its genre.
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:31:36 pm
I think I’m debating with the wrong crowd. I mean, if someone thinks VZ did well coz of AB’s 10 minutes role and not coz of SRK…then God help us!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:33:08 pm
Haha, now turning cannon towards invincible DDLJ!
rajen 17 December 2006
02:33:26 pm
I agree on that point Sameer.AB’s cameo was enjoyable but the reason for the success.I think was not a bad movie overall,a little different,the theme.music all contributed.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:34:57 pm
Rajen: I LOVE DDLJ, so I beg to differ from you(in the most civilised way)
Sameer: Debating with the wrong crowd only because they don’t agree with you? You would much rather be debating with someone who does agree with ya(don’t see the point in that).
As for V-Z..I NEVER said it did well because of AB’s appearence. I said the movie was SAVED(as a PRODUCT) because of AB…otherwise I founjd this movie a intolerable piece of utter nonsense! Amitabh Bachchan had a 45 minute appearence, and the scenes he is in undoubtedly the highlight of this otherwise dull and lifeless enterprise.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:35:50 pm
Re: “AB was so weak, even Govinda stole his show from him in BMCM. Actually to be fair, AB did a movie with Govinda in his strongest territory(comedy) and did a movie in SRK’s strongest territory. It was losing battle for him all the way and he did lose twice of them.”
I completely disagree with this too. And I even disagree about what constitutes strongest or weak territory for Amitabh — as films like Kabhi Kabhi, Silsila, Namak Halaal, and Chupke Chupke show.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:36:11 pm
Rajen: Yep, Big B’s cameo made much of the movie for me.
A.Shah
rajen 17 December 2006
02:36:14 pm
Sameer,dont be touchy.IMHO opinion SRK has had better movies than DDLJ.It might offend some people but I found DTPH much better and I consider that one of SRKs strongest and most engaging performance.
Also I am kind of pulling your chain with these string of negative comments.SRK does have a lot going for him and while histirionically limited he has been a tremendous star.
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:36:28 pm
VZ even without AB would have done the same amount of business IMO!!! Lifeless and dull, maybe for you not certainly for many of them who made it a HIT!!!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:37:52 pm
Re: “Q: I can see why you don’t like SRK in Mohabbatein, the same reason you dont like him in DON. Basically, you dont like SRK!”
You are the champion of unfair arguers! So according to you if I say SRK did NOT steal the show from Amitabh in Muhabbaten, a dislike of SRK is the only explanation (other than the fact that I am a fanatic of course). Let me spell it out: I just disagree with you on this. I don;t think Govinda stole the show in BMCM at all, I don’t think Amitabh is “weak” in BMCM or Muhabbaten at all.
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:37:59 pm
rajen, I’m not touchy. You can say whatever you want to. I’m not responding to you.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:39:08 pm
Rajen: WHOA..DTPH? Now thats a worse offence that MOHABBATEIN and V-Z combined for me!..I nearly walked out(Madhuri saved the movie).
Sameer: Its entirely debatable whether V-Z would’ve done the same amount of business had it not had Amitabh-Hema in the movie given they had become insanely popular with BAGHBAN and all their scenes were greeted with a rather positive response.
And yes…to spell out in capital letters…HIT toh thi V-Z…no ones arguing about the boxoffice outcome of the movie….RAJA HINDUSTANI too was a SUPER HIT:-)
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:40:33 pm
With BMCM…AB I felt really tried, but Govinda was clearly in stronger form!
rkp 17 December 2006
02:40:52 pm
rajen i agree ddlj is def no classic…i mean it just seems like a great movie now b/c we know how bad the movies in the similar genere were so it’s a good movie compared to what came afterwards.
“if someone thinks VZ did well coz of AB’s 10 minutes role”
i think this is mixing bo w/ quality. i don’t think anyone said the movie made money b/c of the cameo but just that out of all the performances it waw better than the two leads. i personally disliked the movie and only liked amitabh and bajpai in the movie.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:41:17 pm
Re: “Q: I can see why you don’t like SRK in Mohabbatein, the same reason you dont like him in DON. Basically, you dont like SRK!”
and PS– I never said I found him bad in Muhabbaten, I DID say that I found him somewhat low energy and lackluster, and the two are somewhat different things. One can be indifferent to someone (as I am with SRK or Hritik) but that doesn’t prevent one from rating his performances. It’s a question of opinion, and for someone to say there’s “no 2 ways about it” is absurd given this thread shows there are (at least) two ways about it.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:41:53 pm
RKP: Bajpai was DYNAMITE here!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:42:12 pm
rkp: whoa you haven’t been on here for a long time! kahan the bhaiyya?!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:42:41 pm
OK, Q. Its no debate actually. I casually mentioned that how SRK did great job in Mohabbtein and this lead to this discussion. Also, if you think AB was better than Goivinda in BMCM and SRK in Mohabbatein, I’m not debating for that reason. You can believe it and live with it. No problem for me.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:42:45 pm
Achcha hua Yashji ne Bajpai role kaat diya…varna SRK ki vaat lag jaati:D
Khalnayak 17 December 2006
02:43:06 pm
Mohabbtaien sucked (along with all performances) period. There was ’show’ for anyone to steal. Though i agree with you Sameer that Govinda stole the show frm AB in BMCHM, just like he did with anyother actor in DD films (i.e. Sanju, Anil) but Dhawan is the one to blame. He intentially gives Govinda bigger and better roles.
and i dun abt others but i find AB and Hema’s fake act really annoying in VZ, yes even more annoying then srk and preity.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:44:28 pm
KN Bhai: Agree with everything you said except for AB/Hema in V-Z! In a otherwise totally pungent and irritating movie..AB/Hema as well as Bajpai saved the movie for me. SRK really needed to take some lessons from Anil Kapoor(EESHWAR, LAMHE) on how to play a “mature” part!
rkp 17 December 2006
02:44:43 pm
“With BMCM…AB I felt really tried, but Govinda was clearly in stronger form!”
it’s not so much the peroformance but the character. i mean they made bachcan almost teh same age as govinda and made him do the same stuff as govinda. the age diff. showed. and i mean the movie pretty much sucked anyways.
and i also agree w/ the people that have said that srk being amazing and stealing teh show from everyone in mohabbatein is laughable. and if mohabbatein is considered one of teh best peroformances and ddlj INVINCIBLE then god really do help us!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:44:55 pm
DDLJ is not my favorite film of the 1990s, but in my opinion I do consider it a classic in its genre. DTPH I thought was just a bad film, it had no substance whatsoever.
rajen 17 December 2006
02:45:02 pm
SRK was more natural.He does play this kind of metrosexual roles rather well and I think DTPH was more authentic if you are allowed to use this word in connection to these movies.His charcter in DDLJ was a total caricature of NRI/ABCD youth.Tho given the material he performed with a lot of energy and was very likeable.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:46:03 pm
Q: DTPH was indeed the worst offence from the lot, though I have a soft spot for both Mads and Akshay here!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:46:45 pm
Q: No 2 ways about it. Its general feedback and response and result of the competition of the stars when they are competed in a movie. Like when Shakti released, it was clear even from the public pov that Dilip stole the movie. Similarly, Govinda was top in BMCM and SRK in Mohabbatein. I’m not debating about the lacklustre, low energy, technical details. The winner would the one generally accepted(like Akshay in MSD and Salman in JeM). No need to get technical in there. If you think, all the media, public went crazy over AB in Mohabbatein over SRK, then I have nothing to say.
rajen 17 December 2006
02:47:07 pm
I knew my comment about DTPH was going to draw fire so Iprefaced it by saying I am going to offend some people.
Q and Akshay I find it hard to disagree with you guys on anything.So I stand chided for this mini offence!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:48:35 pm
DTPH is the first MODERN film on the 90’s for GEN X after NRI DDLJ!!!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:48:48 pm
Sameer: clearly we were seeing different publics, because in my friends and acquaintances I didn’t find any people saying SRK stole the show from Amitabh. So the “no 2 ways about it” does not stand.
On Shakti, I think there is a clear generational difference: I remember my dad and his friends all saying Dilip Kumar stole the show, but the younger lot saying the opposite.
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:49:07 pm
DTPH is the first movie where SRK played a REAL HERO after his super stardom!!!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:49:26 pm
I dont remember the media going “crazy” as such over JUST SRK in MOHABBATEIN??? as far as I remember..the hype for MOHABBATEIN was AB/SRK and right from when the movie released there were clearly TWO OPINIONS on who was better just like there was on SHAKTI.
BMCM IMO is a relatively easier one as Govinda was clearly just awesome here!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:50:16 pm
AS: bajpai was laughable in VZ, dont talk about Dynamite or something!
satyam 17 December 2006
02:50:52 pm
Sameer: Unfortunately for you the BMCM Bachchan/Govinda equation does not apply to Bachchan/SRK in Mohabbatein. One would have to be a little blind to think that SRK got the better of Bachchan here!
As for Shakti it was a certain bourgeois view that Dilip got the better of Bachchan. Doubt that was the general opinion. Today even the bourgeois audiences don’t believe it. LOL!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:51:10 pm
As a general matter, I don’t see why if X can say something as if it’s a fact and if I disagree it’s because I’m a fanatic, being blind or whatever. I don’t find that very fair. I never said Amitabh can never give a bad performance or never be overshadowed, but I certainly do not believe that happened in Muhabbaten, and never heard any of my friends or relatives say so either.
rajen 17 December 2006
02:51:40 pm
The problem with Shakti was Amitabh’s character.People found it hard to identify with it because his disenchantment with his father really did not have a strong enough basis.Like Rani’s character in KANK who really had no busdiness cheating on her husband.AB did great but DilipKumar’s role was the one goingto get sympathy.
rkp 17 December 2006
02:52:14 pm
thanks q…just been a little busy…used to just come on and read everything…b/c once i get started on commenting ti’s like 2 or 3hrs later and havn’t gotten anything done. plus ng 1.0 got a bit nasty for a bit. ng 2.0 seems a lot better and can actually have a civil debate. nothing gets carried over ot other threads. disagree in one agree in anohter…no grudges.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:52:21 pm
I really liked Bajpai in his two scenes in VZ, especially the first one at the train station, I though he did the whole masala baddie act very well indeed.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:52:24 pm
Sameer: I love your little bits of advertising for DTPH, KANK etc
“DTPH is the first movie where SRK played a REAL HERO after his super stardom!!! ”
How does the one for DON go? “SRK redefines the new age Bollywood villan”?
A.Shah
rkp 17 December 2006
02:53:12 pm
oh yea dil to pagal hai sucked big time. vz atleast had bajpai and bachchan/hema.
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:53:15 pm
I still think even now people think Dilip was better than AB in Shakti!!!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:53:25 pm
That’s a fair point rajen, in that there was something bordering on petulant about Amitabh’s character in Shakti. To be honest the most mature character in this film was the one played by Smita Patil!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:53:25 pm
Sameer: MATTER of opinion…I have never come across anyone(GO CHECK OUT ANY OF THE REVIEWS of PRO SRK sites or otherwise) about Bajpai in V-Z! No 2 ways about it..HE ROCKED;-) hehe
A.Shah
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:54:32 pm
Re: “once i get started on commenting ti’s like 2 or 3hrs later and havn’t gotten anything done.”
LOL, yahaan sab ki yehi problem hai! Well good to know at least u r on and reading all the threads…
satyam 17 December 2006
02:55:15 pm
The other problem with SRK and his cinema is that as we’re exiting the world of those films we find it hard to believe why we enjoyed those films at all at one point. This is the fate of all cinematic trends that are low on substance and all stars that simply belong to their moment and are not otherwise serious actors or stars who can transcend their age. A decade from now if not earlier people will find it stunning that SRK was once big. Much as people today find it unbelievable that Rajendra Kumar was so big once!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:55:29 pm
Sameer: Even my friends and younger cousins who saw SHAKTI for the first time were 2 ways..some said AB was better others said Dillip! There is definetly 2(or even 3 ways) with this one as some even said Smita was the best thing about SHAKTI:D
A.Shah
rajen 17 December 2006
02:55:53 pm
Gus lets stop giving Sameer a hard time.The argument is not going to end.We all have our own views and are entitled to them.Sameer is a passionate SRK fan and feels obliged to defend his fav.Thats OK plus he is kind of hampered by absence of support.SP is not to be seen these days.Dunno where he is.If Sameers defense is a little spirited lets acknowledge its kind of Six agaianst(not the right word) one.
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:56:33 pm
Com’on AS: For DTPH, it was publicised a light movie and ‘A YASHRAJ MUSICAL’. Given the fact that DTPH has the highest record for audio in Hindi film Industry ever(Except Aashiqui)…its was perfect date movie for youngsters and teens. Lots of great songs, great fashion ware, first gen X movie, great starcast…so on. Even the concept of stage plays was new one. Its a very good movie…btw why do you hate it? And also, how can prefer Akshay in DTPH by not liking SRK???
satyam 17 December 2006
02:56:56 pm
Rajen: That’s a good point but I think that today even Dilip’s character comes off as fairly intransigent (if it didn’t then). I do agree with Qalandar that the best moments in the film are between Bachchan and Smita Patil and she sometimes gets the better of him here.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
02:57:25 pm
Satyam: Its well known(and discussed on NG before) that SRK movies age SHOCKINGLY BADLY with time..not talking about his SWADES, HEY RAM or earlier works but more DIL TOH HOTA HAI, KUCH KUCH PAAGAL HAI, KABHIE VEER-ZAARA NA KEHNA etc etc etc etc
satyam 17 December 2006
02:58:15 pm
Akshay: Agreed on Bajpai. The guy just had 2 scenes in VZ but he really did a number on SRK in them in every sense imaginable. Of course the reviewers didn’t say this because no reviewer would ever privilege a non-star over a star in India.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
02:58:33 pm
Rajen: I am not giving Sameer a hard time at all, I feel HE is giving ME a hard time by denying my right to my opinion on Muhabbaten and suggesting that only a blind man could hold such an opinion.
As a true blue Bollyfan, I respect everyone’s love and affection for “their” star (be it SRK or Sallu or Abhishek or Hritik), yehi to hum desi filmi fans ki shaan hai! LOL!
rajen 17 December 2006
02:59:08 pm
I dont know why I liked and still do like DTPH more than you guys! May be I am abnormal!
Sameer 17 December 2006
02:59:33 pm
I never said that Q. Infact I didn’t start the post for you at all.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:00:05 pm
Sameer: I Never said anything about the music of DTPH–I loved!
“A very good movie”?, I BEG to differ. The movie bored me. Flat..lifeless….and totally fake! SRK was just PLAIN BORING here in my humble opinion…
ANyways….im out guys..each to their own opinion:-)
Before I know it SRK’s performance in GUDDU will be better than Amitabhs in KHAKEE!
A.SHah
satyam 17 December 2006
03:00:26 pm
Akshay: the one I still enjoy very much is DDLJ. And I have always had a weakness for KHKN. Pardes also I don’t mind. Weirdly enough among the others I like VZ far more now than I did when I saw it in the theater. Again K3G is fairly entertaining. What I find unwatchable now is stuff like DTPH and KKHH. And Bachchan of course has a magnificent persona in the otherwise imbecilic Mohabbatein.
007 17 December 2006
03:00:45 pm
Well, I am not an AB fanatic as my fav. actors are Sanjay Dutt and Amir but even I will say that only people whose understanding of real acting is very little and poor will say that SRK was better than AB in Mohabattain. In Don the difference is like night and day.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:00:50 pm
Akshay: I am one of those who feels Smita is the best thing about Shakti! I didn’t feel that as a kid but now when I re-visit the film I do feel that way.
BMCM I hugely enjoyed, saw it 4 times in the cinema! LOL…also was thrilled to see Amit Kumar get a song in here, this guy has IMO the best voice in Hindi cinema and noone uses him.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:00:57 pm
Rajen: You’re not abnormal at all.each to their own bro:-)
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:01:42 pm
Sidenote: I LIKE THE DON REMAKE….and given how NG slammed that, I can’t hold it against anyone for liking DTPH no matter how much I detested it:-)
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:01:45 pm
Rajen: of course you are abnormal!
How do I know? well it takes one to know one!
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:02:08 pm
Com’on AS, When Aashiqui can become Golden Jubilee Hit, why can’t DTPH??? Moreover when the movie is just about songs and light scenes(its Yash Chopra Musical)…whats the problem in the movie??? It started the true trend of modern movies. Before that not a single movie had such great sets, and dresses. Even the valentine’s day, rose day all started with this one. Later everyone copied and made it boring!!! DTPH had a fresh narrative.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:02:41 pm
btw, I saw DTPH 4 times in the cinema, and I assure NG-ers it was for Madhuri and Madhuri alone (my personal favorite actress).
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:03:38 pm
Q: I too find Smita just outstanding in SHAKTI! With repeat viewings I have had a new found respect for her performance.
Sattu: Glad we agree on Bajpai:-)…and I find PARDES more enjoyable than most of his Yashraj stuff!!!!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:04:56 pm
Heck for Madhuri I saw Wajood, Prem Granth, Rajkumar and Aarzoo in the cinema LOL
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:05:15 pm
Sameer: Dude—you can sit there and promote DTPH all you want man, my view on the movie remains adamant! Yes, the movie wa sa SUPER HIT, but I just couldn’t stand it..bored the living daylights out of me. And yes…RAJA HINDUSTANI too was a SUPER HIT, however if someone tried to convince me it was a GREAT movie etc my reaction would be the same:-)
satyam 17 December 2006
03:05:27 pm
And it’s not just about SRK though he is under discussion here. There are other stars from other eras who’ve suffered the same fate. I love watching Rajendra Kumar’s films or Shammi Kapoor’s films (actually just the soundtracks in each case would make the effort worthwhile) but I wouldn’t really be recommending them without a great deal of context. Of course exposure is important here. Plus if one is an ideologue and insists on a Bachchan-SRK correspondence it’s hard to have a discussion in any sense!
SRK partisans have long had their eyes on Bachchan. Abhishek is just an excuse here. You scratch a SRK partisan and sooner or later the Bachchan comparison emerges! Unfortunately, and as I’ve always pointed out, SRK will first have to surpass Rajendra’s success rate (he hasn’t so far) before thinking of Bachchan! Remaking Don, and doing KBC will hardly do the trick!
rajen 17 December 2006
03:05:29 pm
Well the secret is out!
Well I know how Sameer feels.
When I was growing up evry single day at the dinner table we had arguments between my father on one side and me and my brother on the other as to who was better AB or Dilipkumsr/Gavaskar or Vishwanath/RD or LP.Needless to say AB,Gavvy and RD are my alltime favorites.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:05:40 pm
Q: WAJOOD was a KNOCKOUT movie..Nana was fantastic!
satyam 17 December 2006
03:06:53 pm
DTPH was hardly the KKHH kind of success. It was a hit with superhit business in Bombay. It was a regular grosser, successful for sure but nothing extraordinary here.
rajen 17 December 2006
03:08:10 pm
Smita/AB was a great pair.Loved their pairing in NamakHalaal too.Smita could look so dignified/classy as she did walking down the stairs in that song PAG GHOONGHROO
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:09:37 pm
Rajen: AB, Gavvy and RD is a great way to go! My list would be Amitabh, Sachin, and ARR…
rajen 17 December 2006
03:10:41 pm
Q,
We do have a little generation gap here.When I was growing up Sachin and ARR were not around!
satyam 17 December 2006
03:11:00 pm
Rajen: But it’s not all opinion. It’s one thing to compare DK and AB and quite another to compare AB and SRK! In fact it is entirely propaganda that such an equation ever takes shape.
Now for example Gavaskar might be your all time favorite but one wouldn’t want to assert that he’s greater than Sachin!
It is a generational thing for sure but there ought to be something more to it as well.
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:11:39 pm
DTPH was the first modern movie(sort of DCH) which did great business in the cities. It wasn’t an interiors movies. Its the first movie, as far I can remember where the 3 lead protoganists SRK, Madz and Karisma ’s parents are not shown on the screen. Its was nothing to do with their families but rather themselves. There was mummy papa asking permission to get married for SRK or Karisma or Madhuri.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:12:53 pm
Rajen: yes we have a generation gap, but note that one man is common to both our lists, because he transcends the generation gap…
rajen 17 December 2006
03:14:36 pm
The man for all ages….None other than the greatest actor that ever lived (any country/any language)
007 17 December 2006
03:14:45 pm
Forget about Amitabh guys, even Amir Khan and Saif (as he proved in Omkara) are much better actors than SRK. It is unfortunate that people cannot see real acting and call stammerings, awkward mannerism and baby smiles as good acting…Laught our REAL loud
rkp 17 December 2006
03:15:20 pm
you can have a bad movie that is a first in some category. so what if it had great fashion the movie still sucks. and always hated this idea of having great clothes makes the movie good.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:16:57 pm
Now we have DCH/DTPH com[parison? LOL….to me..DTPH was the SAME OLD type of SRK movie…and as far as I can remember..the parents were shown! Deven Verma was there??As were some other actors..not sure whose parents they played.
A.Shah
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:18:08 pm
ACTING wise..Aamir and Saif are ahead of SRK
rajen 17 December 2006
03:18:12 pm
If I has Satyam or Goddfella’s eloquence I would explain to you what made me like DTPH.But I did and am somewhat apologetic that I part ways with a lot of NGers that I hold so dear over it.
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:18:19 pm
LOL, who decideds the quality of a movie. DTPH for one was right on its money for what it was publiscised and also a progressive movie for its times! It wasn’t RH!!!
Khalnayak 17 December 2006
03:19:58 pm
“The man for all ages….None other than the greatest actor that ever lived (any country/any language) ”
This is as funny as saying srk is a better actor then amitabh (if not more)
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:20:08 pm
LOL….DTPH was a mere love triangle..nothing more and nothing less! I didn’t find anything spectacular in the treatment other than some hip n trendy clothes..sorry Sameer..just don’t see it!:-)
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:20:20 pm
“SAME OLD type of SRK movie”
I think you saw DTPH recently. It was first among SRK’s such movies and how can you say same OLD SRK movie??? Before this movie, SRK never played a true hero IMO! All he had Parde and Yes Boss and DDLJ in romantic genre before this.
007 17 December 2006
03:21:11 pm
Yes my fav is Sanju Baba, but I am not an idiot to call him the best actor. I just adore him the way he is. Anyone can be your favorite actor…that doesn’t mean that he is the best actor. I like Akshay a lot too but if I start saying that he is the best actor and then I will lose my credibility.
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:21:44 pm
I have seen DTPH twice..once when it first came out(and my reaction was MEH and second time on DVD..same reaction)
It’s OK though Sameer…I respect your love for DTPH, I just don’t have the same love for it myself though!:-)
rkp 17 December 2006
03:21:51 pm
007 i agree. i dont care if they personally prefer that type of mannerisms but to say that there are no two ways about it or call others fanatics…i mean i say madhuri is my fave. actress of all time but i don’t necessarily consider her the greatest actress ever. plus i hate it when people start equating bo success w/ quality…yea so what if srk’s had more successes but doesn’t say too much about his acting…says a lot of his stardom. everyone agrees that gadar is not a better movie than lagaan even though it made much more money than lagaan.
satyam 17 December 2006
03:22:07 pm
Rajen: You don’t have to be apologetic about liking DTPH. We all have our guilty pleasures and I have very many as well. You wouldn’t believe some of the ‘bad’ stuff I like!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:22:30 pm
BTW–DTPH is another movie that has aged really badly with time unlike say DCH:-)
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:23:09 pm
Sattu: Agree! heck I simply loved KARAM!
rajen 17 December 2006
03:23:18 pm
“The man for all ages….None other than the greatest actor that ever lived (any country/any language) ”
This is as funny as saying srk is a better actor then amitabh (if not more
KN,you alreadty lost your credibility with the above comment!
satyam 17 December 2006
03:23:29 pm
For the record I am certain I have seen more SRK movies more times in the theater than Sameer! I am a sick man!
satyam 17 December 2006
03:25:27 pm
Some of the ‘bad’ stuff I enjoy is from the 70s — for example J Om Prakash’s Jeetendra starrers like Asha, Arpan, Apnapan. LOL! There is nothing as sublimely bad as the Jeetendra/Reena Roy pair!
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:25:28 pm
I think its pretty usual to sway the topic from a single movie discussion to moving my statement as calling SRK as a better actor than AB overall, is typical NG!!!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:25:30 pm
LOL SATYAM! I think I may challenge you there..I was even forced to sit through ENGLISH BABU…
BTW..One SRK mvoie that I have enjoyed more later(and moreso now) is OH DARLING YEH HAI…very different!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
03:26:33 pm
Nothing wrong with APNAPAN! I love AADMI MUSAFIR HAI..AATA HAI JAATA HAI! One of Jeetendras finer films.
Khalnayak 17 December 2006
03:26:36 pm
“i mean i say madhuri is my fave. actress of all time but i don’t necessarily consider her the greatest actress ever.”
I agree but that holds true for Bachchan as well. I see people picking on sameer when he says DTPH is good or a Srk stole the show frm AM but when Rajen (not against you bro) says that AB is the best actor ever lived in any part of the world/language, noone questions him..
rkp 17 December 2006
03:26:43 pm
“Before this movie, SRK never played a true hero IMO! All he had Parde and Yes Boss and DDLJ in romantic genre before this.”
wasn’t dil to pagal hai in the romantic genre as well…or am i thinking of some other movie.
satyam 17 December 2006
03:27:08 pm
Akshay, I didn’t see English Babu in the theater, I admit!
007 17 December 2006
03:27:30 pm
I saw DDLJ 6 times in the theater and KKHH 5 times….that doesn’t mean I am going to be so stupid to call him the best actor or better than Amitabh. KKHH reminds me of Saved by the bell..but I used to like that a lot too
rajen 17 December 2006
03:27:42 pm
Sameer,
Its not typical NG.I think we are here much better than a lot of forums.Even SRK fans here are more classy!
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:27:58 pm
AS: I have no love for DTPH at all. But I’m just making the points which are valid for the movie. I hope I’m not making up some own stuff, I’m just discussing the movie’s creditable points which you can verify. Till now I never talked about my like or dislike for the movie.
See, you have to READ the comments well before forming a judgement. If I’m supporting DTPH as I loved it or not is the reason you don’t even wanna know. Basically thats a problem of many guyz on NG!!!
satyam 17 December 2006
03:28:35 pm
And speaking of bad stuff I like all the films Jeetendra did with Tamil setups in the 90s — Himmatwala, Tohfa, Mawaali, Justice Chowdhry and some others! Really terrible stuff and awesome for that reason!
007 17 December 2006
03:29:44 pm
Some one above said something about Gavaskar vs Sachin. Well, that is nothing as you will find people who will sincerely believe that Sehwag is a better batsman than Sachin too. What can you say about such people
rkp 17 December 2006
03:29:47 pm
sameer said there no two ways about it that srk stole to show in all those movies. or whatever. and i took what rajen said as not a thing that he was serious about discussing or debating but more of just a fan’s admiration…which would be fine if that’s what sameer’s doing but he seems to be trying to convince others that what he says is true and you’re blind/fantic if you dong agree.
satyam 17 December 2006
03:29:58 pm
Khalnayak: Much as DeNiro is sometimes called the greatest actor and many other Western actors are also so called in similar contexts I don’t find there to be anything objectionable about Rajen’s claim.
rkp 17 December 2006
03:30:30 pm
and by the way i happen to agree w/ rajen.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:31:06 pm
Khalnayak: I actually wouldn’t pick on anyone even if he did say SRK is the best ever…that’s his/her opinion, I would of course have the right to disagree but it’s a fan’s right to say x is the best! The problem is that when I said Amitabh was not overshadowed by SRK in Muhabbten it was presented as if it’s an irrefutable fact that wasn’t so. But the only “fact” is that this is a question of opinion
rajen 17 December 2006
03:32:31 pm
Satyam,
I can forgive you only if you say that you liked all that awful stuff only because of SriDevi and JayaPrada.
I knew my statement was going to invite ire but I stand by it.AB in my eyes is superior to Brando/Nero/Pacino/Nicholson
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:33:06 pm
RKP:” Its funny how my posts are getting turned and you guys are replying on it without double checking it. I talked about “2 ways about it” in context of SRK’s 2 scenes where he was phenomenal!!! Why is that be a problem???
I’m not sure why Q turned my post into something else for no reason!!!
rkp 17 December 2006
03:33:27 pm
plus you can question that statement if you’re in a discussion that includes actors like mohanlal, de niro, dilip k, sanjeev k, brano and etc…not when teh argument is about srk and someoen as good as bachchan and the movies that are discussed as great, pathbreaking, and invincible are ddlj, dil to pagal hai, mohabbatein, veer zaara and the likes.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:34:19 pm
I remember Henry had an interesting comment on NG 1.0 when he listed SRK as his favorite actor, and Amitabh as the one he thought was the best actor. So one’s fandom is not necessarily the same as one’s critical opinion. E.g. I love Vikram, he is one of my favs, but I don’t consider him a better actor than Kamal Haasan!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:35:34 pm
Sameer: I didn’t turn your post into anything at all, I just disagree with your statement that there’s no two ways about it! I think there ARE two ways about it, and referring to the very same scenes you are talking about.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:37:45 pm
Rajen: I think Marlon Brando has a phenomenal screen presence but is an overrated actor. I definitely rank DeNiro way above him (won’t comment on Nicholson as I have not see a lot of Nicholson films, only a handful). I also rank Amitabh over the actors you have mentioned, and I think he outclasses Brando by quite a margin.
007 17 December 2006
03:38:01 pm
I want to clarify:
“Some one above said something about Gavaskar vs Sachin. Well, that is nothing as you will find people who will sincerely believe that Sehwag is a better batsman than Sachin too. What can you say about such people”
IMO Gavaskar is close second to Sachin. Sehwag is not even remotely close to Sachin
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:38:44 pm
That being said Brando in Streetcar Named Desire is one of the most forceful and high-impact performances I have ever seen.
rkp 17 December 2006
03:39:50 pm
“Its very difficult to AB fanatics to accept that SRK won over AB in Mohabbatein in all quarters possible”
i took that to mean if you disagree that srk didn’t steal to show you’re a bachchan fanatic…if that’s not what you meant than i misunderstood it.
and i thook this to mean there are no two ways that srk stole to show in mohabbatein…
“Just the interval scene and climax scene of SRK’s talking about his reason for comeback stole the whole movie from everyone. That was the basis for Mohabbatein and SRK was pheomenal in that scenes. No 2 ways about it.”
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:40:33 pm
I’ll repeat what ever I said till now. I said Govinda was better than AB in BMCM and SRK in Mohabbatein. Does that mean Govinda is better than AB or SRK is better than AB???
Its the way yopu guyz wanna see my posts. Obviously you can accuse me of calling Govinda a better actor than AB with your same reason of SRK being better than AB!!!
I was just talking about a single movie and I still didn’t give any opinion or thoughts about the actors’s whole career or something.!!!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:41:15 pm
Not to mention that when I said I disagreed you said: “Q: This is so unfair. SRK clearly won over AB in Mohabbatein, in the same way Dilip won over him in Shakti!”
It is TOTALLY fine if that’s your opinion bro, we all have our own, but equally it is not “unfair” on my part if I have a different opinion!
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:42:46 pm
I know u were only talking about a single movie, but I do disagree about that single movie too.
And btw, I am not saying no-one has ever stolen the show from Bachchan; I think Sanju stole the show from him in Deewar – LBOHH, though not SRK in Muhabbaten or Govinda in BMCM…again just my opinion.
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:43:40 pm
Yes, Q. I was talking about the general feedback on a particular movie. I gave the examples of JeM and MSD of Salman and Akshay! But when you said, even your cousins felt that AB won the show, I said its your choice. I was talking about the general reaction not technicalities!!!
007 17 December 2006
03:47:04 pm
Q: Deewar – LBOHH? Which one was that??
rkp 17 December 2006
03:48:17 pm
“it was presented as if it’s an irrefutable fact that wasn’t so. But the only “fact” is that this is a question of opinion ” very well said q.
that’s teh only thing i disagree w/ an opinion being presented as an irrefutable face and questioning it is being a fanatic.
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:48:26 pm
I would consider even Kaante where Sanju overshadowed AB. “Tu sirf bhonkege ya kaatega bhi?”
Qalandar 17 December 2006
03:48:27 pm
The one where Amitabh and sanju are POWs in Pakistan, and Kay Kay is the camp commandant; half the film was a take on Bridge on the River Kwai…and Akshay Khanna and Amrita Rao were also in it…
sujith 17 December 2006
03:48:34 pm
SRKFan2 and SR4Ever you guys are right SRK beats AB every time any which way you choose, not just two ways about it
007 17 December 2006
03:48:45 pm
and Q, you really made my day by saying that Sanju stole the show from Bachchan
Just makes me happy as I adore Sanju
sujith 17 December 2006
03:49:28 pm
Oops.. wrong browser window
007 17 December 2006
03:51:22 pm
Sujith: As usual you are sooo funny
007 17 December 2006
03:54:13 pm
and Amitabh Bachchan’s greatness is that even after 30 years he won the best actor award for Black and was given one of the highest awards by the French
rkp 17 December 2006
03:54:47 pm
i think we’re all(or atleast i am) confused about who said what. from the last couple of comments if sameer you’re talking about the media reaction to mohabbatein and bmcm then you could be right b/c i dont remember and nor do i care b/c i dont really form my opinion for a movie based on bo and reactions from audience and media…so i guess i just thought you were talking about it as fact. like qalandar said. and i agree w/ qalandar on mohabbatein as far the performances go the only worthwhile performance in teh movie was bachhcan’s. and dont care about bmcm at all…just a crappy crappy movie…specially compared to what dd and govinda had given us from aankhen to haseena maan jayegi.
Sameer 17 December 2006
03:59:23 pm
rkp: You got it near. I gave so many examples of diff movies to make my point, but still everyone believed what ever they wanted to believe. No one are even reading my posts! LOL!!!
rkp 17 December 2006
04:02:48 pm
no i read the posts but i just thoght you were talking about mohabbatien as a personal opinion and stating taht as a fact like q said…i honestly didnt see anything about media reaction or even get that feeling. i took it as your personal opinion b/c you said i even think he was weak in bmcm, shakti, and a couple of other examples.
Qalandar 17 December 2006
04:04:18 pm
Sameer: I don’t think I misread your comments at all. My comments above are responsive to your comments as I see it.
Sameer 17 December 2006
04:08:21 pm
NO rkp: I said as the above movies has a clear winner for everyone in the general acceptance(same words) for media and public reaction during release. I said Dilip won over AB in Shakti, Govinda in BMCM, Akshay over Salman in MSK and Salman over Akshay in JeM! I gave these four examples and I can also add D2 where Hrithik won over Abhi. There can be ONLY ONE CLEAR winner in any case. It doesn’t matter if someone of them think Abhi was better than Hrithik in D2 or AB was better than Dilip in Shakti. There was ONE winner when the movie released and for Mohababtein, there is no way that the winner was AB. Not a single review or article said AB won over SRK in Mohabbatein!!! Bas, yehi keh raha tha main!!!
Sameer 17 December 2006
04:10:04 pm
Q: The way you responded to my comments…others responded to your replies blaming me that I quoted that SRK is better actor than AB when we didn’t even discuss that. To be fair, I’m not blaming you at all.
rkp 17 December 2006
04:19:25 pm
well i dont really care about media reaction nor do i remember it…i do remember reviews that said bachchan was better and from what i remember they all said srk and bachchan were both good…dont reammaber that said srk chews up bachchan. and i dont remember the emdia reactions when shakti came out b/c i wasn’t born yet…and the same case w/ bmcm, but in this case i wouldn’t be surprised b/c no one’s stolen the show from govinda in dd comedies…anil k came the closest to matching him…and again like i said earlier bmcm was just an awful movie.
Rocky 17 December 2006
04:36:29 pm
Wow, I still watch scenes from Shakti at least once a month. Dilip Kumar had better dialouges and a better defined character but AB with his eyes and silence stole the show IMO. Watch the scene where after Rakhi’s death he goes and sits by Dilip K and casually palces his han on Dilip’s hads. Pure Magic !!!!!!!
Rocky 17 December 2006
05:08:57 pm
On BMCM I remember AB and Govinda came to US for a concert post BMCM, I went to their show in Chicago, there was a visible cold war between them. they did not come on the stage at the same time, they did not perform on any song of BMCM. I think the root of the problem was that Govinda thought he was the bigger draw post BMCM, but the reality was different as the public was going crazy over Amitabh.
This was the same Govinda who used to think Amitabh was GOd at the time of HUM.
How Times Change !!!!!!!
akshay shah 17 December 2006
08:21:45 pm
Sameer: Can you please let me know the credible sources you refer to that said SRK stole the show from AB in MOHABBATEIN? I remember when the movie came out-the views were definetly TWO WAYS:-)Just like all sources claimed that Sanju stole the show in MK!
Aarkayne 18 December 2006
04:13:37 pm
You can only compare people when they have comparable roles no?
Dilip – Amitabh – SHAKTI – dilip was efficient as the patriarch and Amitabh simmered as the complexed and traumatised son. I remember seeing SHAKTI first day-first show and most people walked out thinking the honors were even. My personal preference was AB over DK however.
Govinda – AB – BMCM – Govinda clearly outperformed AB, no 2 ways about this one IMO…now that is important when I say in my opinion alone
Akshay Kumar – Salman – MSK – so did not enjoy this flick, wont even get into this argument
Akshay Kumar – Salman – JeM – honors even IMO, SK had the better role, AK did not have it in his repertoire to rise upto being the geek in any extraordinary fashion. In the end SK ended up looking better only because his role was slightly better.
SRK – AB – MOHABBATEIN – small and bad role for AB, much better developed role for SRK. No doubts SRK looked better. AB was out of work, in debt and totally in the dumps. Heck at that point in his career he would have done Anupam Kher’s role too in the movie (just kidding guys). No doubt SRK “looked” better because his role was meatier.
Just throwing in my 2 cents as well
akshay shah 18 December 2006
09:59:07 pm
Aakrayne: You have summed it up perfectly. ALSO MSK was clearly ruled by Akki as JeM was ruled by Sallu!
But with both—MOHABBATEIN and SHAKTI the winners WERE NOT as clear cut in my view as the other movies mentioned above.
And yes…DHOOM 2 was a Hrithik show all the way!!!!!!
But when responses are SO VARIED and NOT CLEAR CUT(hence MORE than 2 ways).
And Sameer..I request for a second time…>WHICH credible sources are you referring to?????I too was around at the time when MOHABBATEIN came out and I remember both the Media and Critics views being partial and definetly NOT one way like the case of MSK etc.
HOWEVER I do agree that Govinda ruled the roost in BMCM..HE ROCKED HERE!
A.Shah
akshay shah 18 December 2006
11:25:38 pm
“Wow, I still watch scenes from Shakti at least once a month”..A true movie nut you are..ONCE A MONTH?? I LIKE IT!:D
aamirsfan 18 December 2006
11:50:58 pm
wow nice topic..ofcourse a SRK discussion tops the list of all-stars. lol. anyways i just saw mohabattein over the weekend, and oh my god what a horrible movie that was. i seen it twice earlier, couple years ago and i thought it was a average movie. after watching it this weekend, the SRK dialogues along with Amitabhs are so freakin LAME!! what a fall of for Aditya chopra from ddlj. what the hell was this guy thinking!!
on the whole SRK/Amitabh discussion, i dont think SRK overshadowed Amitabh, BUT SRK held his own against the lame ass scenes he had with Amitabh. the intro when srk wants to join the university and is sittin accross amitabh is pretty funny, and i thought SRK handled that scene well. as for Shakti, i dont think Amitabh overshadowed Dilip. but Amitabh sure as hell held his own against dilip with MUCH MORE powerful scenes. i love shakti, it is to me a classic. if you wanna see a acting clinic, watch shakti, where every freakin actor puts on a clinic.
akshay shah 19 December 2006
01:37:12 am
Haha-yea..MOHABBATEIN is a pathetic movie. Agree on SHAKTI!
jayshah 19 December 2006
05:19:20 am
My first venture into NG 2.0 – truly awesome !!!
Mohabbatein – pretty much equal payoff for SRK and Bachchan. SRK probably got the better dialogues and more of them…..but Bachchan’s silences and look was awesome. The movie itself wasn’t that bad, I definitely prefer Aditya to K-Jo thats for sure.
Arun 19 December 2006
06:03:11 am
Only saw Mohabbatein once (when it was released) and quite liked it then..
SRK,I felt wasn’t bad in this one..But surely nowhere near AB.
btw,Congratz to all.This thread tops the NG 2.0 All Stars List
Qalandar 19 December 2006
07:30:00 am
whoa jay shah, where have u been? Glad to have you back…
although I leave on vacation tomorrow, so won’t have much NG for a week…
jayshah 19 December 2006
07:35:18 am
I have been holidaying in Hong Kong + had some troubles getting my password here ! Finally get to sample the NEW NG !!!
Qalandar 19 December 2006
07:44:45 am
and just in time for India to kick some Protea A**! WOOHOO! and great to see the victory resulting from such a team effort, with crucial knocks from Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag, Zaheer and even VRV, and of course Ganguly and Laxman, and on the bowling end Sreesanth and then Zaheer, and Kumble! Let’s hope they win the series too (no Asian team has ever won in SA, and in fact since the end of apartheid only Australia and England (the latter once) have won a test series in SA)…
jayshah 19 December 2006
07:50:23 am
Yep – India sprung a huge surprise. Much more balance in the side – long may it continue. Complete team effort for once