Latest Shah Rukh Khan Filmfare Interview
“Whatever I do in films is completely illegal …!” – SRK’s take on infidelity & more!
http://movies.indiatimes.com/articleshow/811514.cms
Thank God it’s Friday!
For Shah Rukh it’s ‘prayer day’; also ‘arm flexing’ day. The phenomenon gets larger each Friday, like the Colossus of Rhodes; making stars of all shapes, sizes and density appear diminutive in comparison. And it amazes the star himself.
I mention worldwide filmi trends. Now, post ‘KANK’, everyone’s looking to have an extra-marital affair – just ‘coz SRK does it, it’s ‘legal’?
“Not at all. Whatever I do in films is completely illegal. What I do in real life is legal. But if you really want to know, what I do in real life is quite boring. What I do in films is larger than life. Sometimes it’s fantastic, at times awe-inspiring; but none of it is real. It’s fiction - like a good book. So you decide if you want your life to be real or fiction”.
In reality, you and Gauri are the perfect couple, but there’s a lot of curiosity in knowing how she reacted to your ‘unfaithful’ act?
“She didn’t like it. I think no woman would like it. When she saw the film she thought it was quite bold. Bold and beautiful. There was a little issue though. She didn’t like the character. Nobody is supposed to like him.”
But while on the subject, throughout your career (even pre-marriage), ever been attracted to married women in real life?
“Not really. I think I’m quite conventional, I won’t say I’m boring but I am pretty traditional. For a lot of things that I say in humour, for a lot of things that I accept in other people without passing a valid judgment or being judgmental, I’m personally not scared of saying that I’m a very conventional guy. I’m square and I think its quite hip to be square”.
So how do you deal with married women throwing themselves at you?
“Do they? Nobody does. Most of the women, pre-and-post-marriage, I’ve met are my friends so I can’t count them in that - and everybody gets married finally. I’ve never declared that married women have thrown themselves at me - unless I didn’t know that they were married, of course.”
There’s talk too that you’re looking a bit ‘tired’ your last few films; you don’t believe in Botox?
“If I had Botox I wouldn’t look tired. But when I try to play a character, instead of putting in too many crutches I become the character. I become that person. There are things that I have to explain. For example, if I have to be a flamboyant guy even without putting on much, without changing; my body language changes. That’s a plus of me as an actor. I don’t have to explain, the audience understands … and I really don’t know the essentials of Botox.”
Shah Rukh Khan – superstar. 40plus – fit and hunkier than he’s ever been. Secret?
“Just the blessings of God. Touchwood, my back pain is a lot less since last year. While in Malyasia, I was upto all kinds of fitness training and am continuing that. I’m feeling good and looking better. I play outdoor games like cricket and hockey and I feel good. That’s a good sign of fitness. I plan to keep it up …”
Comment by Qalandar on 16 December 2006:
Re: “She didn’t like the character. Nobody is supposed to like him”
LOL, that’s one way to spin a rotten performance. A character noone is supposed to like is different from a performance that sucks (see Saif in Omkara to know the difference)…
Comment by sujith on 16 December 2006:
Jeetendra,where are you? 30 plus has a challenger, white boots must crush Botox
Comment by 007 on 17 December 2006:
I agree with you Q. It was SRK’s worst performance ever.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Calling KANK SRK’s worst performance is the biggest compliment an actor can ask for!!!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Whatever makes you happy Sameer
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
Calling KANK SRK’s worst performance is the biggest compliment an actor can ask for!!!
There is a lot to choose from in terms of poor performances from SRK.So in that sense KANK was a landmark.
Comment by 007 on 17 December 2006:
Well, I guess SRK as Vijay in “Don” was another bad one….
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Well it was less noticeable in HTHS so I can’t say for sure, as everyone was pretty awful in that film, even Ash in her one scene! Hats off to Madhuri for essaying this role with conviction, though nothing could rescue this tripe…
Comment by Arun on 17 December 2006:
SRK’s worst ever for me,remains HTHS.All that sluttering and screaming..Sheesh!
Comment by Arun on 17 December 2006:
I was trying to edit that comment and ended up deleting it,So had to repost
Comment by henry on 17 December 2006:
SRK is definitely an acquired taste. I think people who strongly dislike SRK really don’t like any of of his performances, even DDLJ or KHKN. After all, it’s not like he didn’t ham in those films.
BTW I thought he was decent in HTHS…
Comment by Arun on 17 December 2006:
Swades,Paheli,KHNH,Baadshah,KHKN,Baazigar,Mohabbatein,Yes Boss,Dil Se,Darr..loved him in all these.So,Im not quite an SRK hater
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
I disagree Henry. I don’t think SRK is an acquired taste. Most people liked him instantly when he became big. And while he was never a serious actor in my book he certainly had the energy and flamboyance as an actor to do the DDLJ sort of role more effectively than the competition. However he got stale very quickly and the signs of hamming were evident even as early as KKHH. But he still had the energy and the poise. But post-Mohabbatein (and I first saw signs of it in this film) SRK lost his confidence somewhere along the line, a lot of his energy, and if I could just sum it up I would say that his ‘heart’ didn’t seem to be in it as much. I think he then reached the point relatively quickly where he became irretrievable as quintessential SRK.
So I disagree that he was hamming in DDLJ or KHKN. I think this tendency developed later. Swades and Don to me reveal SRK’s problem as I see it much more than a MHN. Why? Because in Swades he is much better than usual but simply by being low energy and underplaying it as opposed to really turning in a good performance. On the other hand he comes off as a serious hammer in Don where he is totally out of his league. Actually in some sense I think he is preferable in KANK to Don.
I think a lot of people here (fairly or unfairly) react to the propagandistic aspect of SRK support. In other words Swades gets the kinds of reviews that Saif did for Omkara! Or Don is supposed to be the old SRK just because after KANK anything seems better. Don is NOT AT ALL the old SRK. Just put this alongside Baadshah and one will see the difference.
Goodfella pointed this out here once and I agree. SRK’s greatest asset was his energy. I would add his flamboyance as well. But he never capitalised on these to move into different avenues. He could easily have done more sensible projects at the same time that he was doing a Yashraj or a Karan Johar. And those films wouldn’t have hurt him much as English babu Desi Mem and Baadshah and Duplicate and what not didn’t really affect his standing in those films. he should have courted serious directors far more than he did. To be fair to him the system then wasn’t as helpful in this regard as it is now but clearly signing garbage left right and center because one wanted to build a new house didn’t help! And because he didn’t have any serious competition he wasn’t bothered. But films like Josh or Dil se or even Duplicate (nothing wrong with this one) was the way to go. He would have increased his acing credentials, he would certainly have had more prestige, and some film or the other would have hit the bull’s eye. Doing the ‘different’ stuff after Aamir means you’re already a follower.
Today I think it’s too late for SRK the actor, for one he’s not going to get the directors who will want to invest much in his reinvention, secondly he is too much a shadow of his old ways to do it on his own as an actor. As a star again it’s been diminishing returns for him and Don proves this far more than KANK for reasons that I’ve laid out endlessly elsewhere.
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
SRK is not an acquired taste.He is like a bad after taste!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Yea-I dont think SRK is acquired taste at all either!!!!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Agree henry. Also, its news to me that SRK hammed in DON!!! LOL…did DON 2 come out? Coz …in DON, he was very good…didn’t see Don2 yet!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
No one said he hammed in Don, I think 007 said he was very bad as Vijay IN Don…conversely Henry’s claim as I read it was that one really couldn’t draw any distinction as he hams all the time and hence there wasn’t any basis to say he was good in x and bad in y…
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
I think someone said above!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
My apologies Sameer, on re-reading his comment I see that Satyam has in fact said so.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Also to be noted is the mention of SRK’s downslide started with Mohabbatein. Its very difficult to AB fanatics to accept that SRK won over AB in Mohabbatein in all quarters possible, I can understand the reason for counter attack…. AB looking weak infront of SRK is takleef dey baat hai!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
He didn’t “ham” IMO..he was just plain irritating as Vijay in DON! But his performance as DON made up for it..
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
And now we have AB/SRK comparisons? LOL!Nuff said:-)
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Re: “Its very difficult to AB fanatics to accept that SRK won over AB in Mohabbatein in all quarters possible”
I disagree entirely: LOL at the notion that SRK overshadowed Amitabh in Muhabbaten.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Too much of being is made of Vijay’s role in DON. He has hardly 2 scenes in the movie and it quite often raised laughs!!!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Q: This is so unfair. SRK clearly won over AB in Mohabbatein, in the same way Dilip won over him in Shakti!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
“raised laughs”..yea people were laughing AT SRK:(
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
IMO SRK was very low energy and lacklustre in Muhabbaten, and from then on in general I have found him lacking in energy and verve, and that includes films like Chalte Chalte, KHNH, MHN, VZ, and KANK. I don’t think Amitabh has any connection to it, I just think that SRK’s portrayal of older, mature sorta individuals isn’t very good.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
the SHAKTI argument is comparable..the MOHABBATEIN argument is..laughable IMO:-)!
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
Re: “Its very difficult to AB fanatics to accept that SRK won over AB in Mohabbatein in all quarters possible”
Now thats beyond wishful thinking.Not even a monkey high on coke can say something so ridiculous!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Re: “Q: This is so unfair. SRK clearly won over AB in Mohabbatein, in the same way Dilip won over him in Shakti!”
What’s “unfair” about it? You say this as if it is a fact– it is clearly a subjective opinion, and I strongly disagree. There’s nothing “unfair” about it; I could just as easily say you are being “unfair” when you say Amitabh seemed “weak” vis-a-vis SRK, but being a fairer chap I didn’t say that at all, simply that I disagreed completely.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
I found him quiet boring in MOHABBATEIN too! V-Z was even worse-however Bachchan/Hema/Rani saved that movie( i cannot stand Preity here either)!The only movie where SRK ruled the ROOST with AB in the picture was K3G—-only becuz AB had one pathetic role!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Just the interval scene and climax scene of SRK’s talking about his reason for comeback stole the whole movie from everyone. That was the basis for Mohabbatein and SRK was pheomenal in that scenes. No 2 ways about it.
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
I also resent the insinuation that anyone who says Bachchan was NOT blown away by SRK in Muhabbaten is somehow an Amitabh fanatic…gimme a break!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Indeed only a matter of opinion…and I respect your opinion Sameer that you think SRK is better than AB in MOHABBATEIN..just like you think SRK is a better actor than Aamir Khan(another discussion I disagree with you whole heartedly on)
A.Shah
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
I found SRK DAMN annoying in the climax scene..
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Re: “No 2 ways about it.”
If there were no two ways about it then no-one would be disagreeing with you. But this very thread shows that there ARE “2 ways about it” whatever you might say. You feel one way, I completely disagree. That’s all.
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
World view is kinda different from between SRK’s butt cheeks,I guess.I never tried but I guess some people reside there.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: LOL!!! Hahaha..subhe subhe kyun itna hassate ho mere yaar!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
IMO, AB was not his usual self during that early comeback time. If MOhabbatein was now, it would be comparable. AB was so weak, even Govinda stole his show from him in BMCM. Actually to be fair, AB did a movie with Govinda in his strongest territory(comedy) and did a movie in SRK’s strongest territory. It was losing battle for him all the way and he did lose twice of them.
Q: I can see why you don’t like SRK in Mohabbatein, the same reason you dont like him in DON. Basically, you dont like SRK!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Sameer: I do agree that Govinda stole the show in BMCM-however I didn’t think SRK stole the show in MOHABBATEIN by any yardstick!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
BTW–I find MOHABBATEIN one of the worst offences! Man…Aditya Chopra gtook such a HUGE step down as a film maker after DDLJ which this headache inducing junk!
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
I actually think DDLJ is overrated.By no means a classic. Immensely succesful.Entertaining.One of SRK’s best performances.But as a movie was not a classic by any standards.Everybody performed well,music was good.Was kind of first of its genre.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
I think I’m debating with the wrong crowd. I mean, if someone thinks VZ did well coz of AB’s 10 minutes role and not coz of SRK…then God help us!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Haha, now turning cannon towards invincible DDLJ!
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
I agree on that point Sameer.AB’s cameo was enjoyable but the reason for the success.I think was not a bad movie overall,a little different,the theme.music all contributed.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: I LOVE DDLJ, so I beg to differ from you(in the most civilised way)
Sameer: Debating with the wrong crowd only because they don’t agree with you? You would much rather be debating with someone who does agree with ya(don’t see the point in that).
As for V-Z..I NEVER said it did well because of AB’s appearence. I said the movie was SAVED(as a PRODUCT) because of AB…otherwise I founjd this movie a intolerable piece of utter nonsense! Amitabh Bachchan had a 45 minute appearence, and the scenes he is in undoubtedly the highlight of this otherwise dull and lifeless enterprise.
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Re: “AB was so weak, even Govinda stole his show from him in BMCM. Actually to be fair, AB did a movie with Govinda in his strongest territory(comedy) and did a movie in SRK’s strongest territory. It was losing battle for him all the way and he did lose twice of them.”
I completely disagree with this too. And I even disagree about what constitutes strongest or weak territory for Amitabh — as films like Kabhi Kabhi, Silsila, Namak Halaal, and Chupke Chupke show.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: Yep, Big B’s cameo made much of the movie for me.
A.Shah
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
Sameer,dont be touchy.IMHO opinion SRK has had better movies than DDLJ.It might offend some people but I found DTPH much better and I consider that one of SRKs strongest and most engaging performance.
Also I am kind of pulling your chain with these string of negative comments.SRK does have a lot going for him and while histirionically limited he has been a tremendous star.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
VZ even without AB would have done the same amount of business IMO!!! Lifeless and dull, maybe for you not certainly for many of them who made it a HIT!!!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Re: “Q: I can see why you don’t like SRK in Mohabbatein, the same reason you dont like him in DON. Basically, you dont like SRK!”
You are the champion of unfair arguers! So according to you if I say SRK did NOT steal the show from Amitabh in Muhabbaten, a dislike of SRK is the only explanation (other than the fact that I am a fanatic of course). Let me spell it out: I just disagree with you on this. I don;t think Govinda stole the show in BMCM at all, I don’t think Amitabh is “weak” in BMCM or Muhabbaten at all.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
rajen, I’m not touchy. You can say whatever you want to. I’m not responding to you.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: WHOA..DTPH? Now thats a worse offence that MOHABBATEIN and V-Z combined for me!..I nearly walked out(Madhuri saved the movie).
Sameer: Its entirely debatable whether V-Z would’ve done the same amount of business had it not had Amitabh-Hema in the movie given they had become insanely popular with BAGHBAN and all their scenes were greeted with a rather positive response.
And yes…to spell out in capital letters…HIT toh thi V-Z…no ones arguing about the boxoffice outcome of the movie….RAJA HINDUSTANI too was a SUPER HIT:-)
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
With BMCM…AB I felt really tried, but Govinda was clearly in stronger form!
Comment by rkp on 17 December 2006:
rajen i agree ddlj is def no classic…i mean it just seems like a great movie now b/c we know how bad the movies in the similar genere were so it’s a good movie compared to what came afterwards.
“if someone thinks VZ did well coz of AB’s 10 minutes role”
i think this is mixing bo w/ quality. i don’t think anyone said the movie made money b/c of the cameo but just that out of all the performances it waw better than the two leads. i personally disliked the movie and only liked amitabh and bajpai in the movie.
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Re: “Q: I can see why you don’t like SRK in Mohabbatein, the same reason you dont like him in DON. Basically, you dont like SRK!”
and PS– I never said I found him bad in Muhabbaten, I DID say that I found him somewhat low energy and lackluster, and the two are somewhat different things. One can be indifferent to someone (as I am with SRK or Hritik) but that doesn’t prevent one from rating his performances. It’s a question of opinion, and for someone to say there’s “no 2 ways about it” is absurd given this thread shows there are (at least) two ways about it.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
RKP: Bajpai was DYNAMITE here!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
rkp: whoa you haven’t been on here for a long time! kahan the bhaiyya?!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
OK, Q. Its no debate actually. I casually mentioned that how SRK did great job in Mohabbtein and this lead to this discussion. Also, if you think AB was better than Goivinda in BMCM and SRK in Mohabbatein, I’m not debating for that reason. You can believe it and live with it. No problem for me.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Achcha hua Yashji ne Bajpai role kaat diya…varna SRK ki vaat lag jaati:D
Comment by Khalnayak on 17 December 2006:
Mohabbtaien sucked (along with all performances) period. There was ’show’ for anyone to steal. Though i agree with you Sameer that Govinda stole the show frm AB in BMCHM, just like he did with anyother actor in DD films (i.e. Sanju, Anil) but Dhawan is the one to blame. He intentially gives Govinda bigger and better roles.
and i dun abt others but i find AB and Hema’s fake act really annoying in VZ, yes even more annoying then srk and preity.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
KN Bhai: Agree with everything you said except for AB/Hema in V-Z! In a otherwise totally pungent and irritating movie..AB/Hema as well as Bajpai saved the movie for me. SRK really needed to take some lessons from Anil Kapoor(EESHWAR, LAMHE) on how to play a “mature” part!
Comment by rkp on 17 December 2006:
“With BMCM…AB I felt really tried, but Govinda was clearly in stronger form!”
it’s not so much the peroformance but the character. i mean they made bachcan almost teh same age as govinda and made him do the same stuff as govinda. the age diff. showed. and i mean the movie pretty much sucked anyways.
and i also agree w/ the people that have said that srk being amazing and stealing teh show from everyone in mohabbatein is laughable. and if mohabbatein is considered one of teh best peroformances and ddlj INVINCIBLE then god really do help us!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
DDLJ is not my favorite film of the 1990s, but in my opinion I do consider it a classic in its genre. DTPH I thought was just a bad film, it had no substance whatsoever.
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
SRK was more natural.He does play this kind of metrosexual roles rather well and I think DTPH was more authentic if you are allowed to use this word in connection to these movies.His charcter in DDLJ was a total caricature of NRI/ABCD youth.Tho given the material he performed with a lot of energy and was very likeable.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Q: DTPH was indeed the worst offence from the lot, though I have a soft spot for both Mads and Akshay here!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Q: No 2 ways about it. Its general feedback and response and result of the competition of the stars when they are competed in a movie. Like when Shakti released, it was clear even from the public pov that Dilip stole the movie. Similarly, Govinda was top in BMCM and SRK in Mohabbatein. I’m not debating about the lacklustre, low energy, technical details. The winner would the one generally accepted(like Akshay in MSD and Salman in JeM). No need to get technical in there. If you think, all the media, public went crazy over AB in Mohabbatein over SRK, then I have nothing to say.
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
I knew my comment about DTPH was going to draw fire so Iprefaced it by saying I am going to offend some people.
Q and Akshay I find it hard to disagree with you guys on anything.So I stand chided for this mini offence!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
DTPH is the first MODERN film on the 90’s for GEN X after NRI DDLJ!!!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Sameer: clearly we were seeing different publics, because in my friends and acquaintances I didn’t find any people saying SRK stole the show from Amitabh. So the “no 2 ways about it” does not stand.
On Shakti, I think there is a clear generational difference: I remember my dad and his friends all saying Dilip Kumar stole the show, but the younger lot saying the opposite.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
DTPH is the first movie where SRK played a REAL HERO after his super stardom!!!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
I dont remember the media going “crazy” as such over JUST SRK in MOHABBATEIN??? as far as I remember..the hype for MOHABBATEIN was AB/SRK and right from when the movie released there were clearly TWO OPINIONS on who was better just like there was on SHAKTI.
BMCM IMO is a relatively easier one as Govinda was clearly just awesome here!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
AS: bajpai was laughable in VZ, dont talk about Dynamite or something!
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Sameer: Unfortunately for you the BMCM Bachchan/Govinda equation does not apply to Bachchan/SRK in Mohabbatein. One would have to be a little blind to think that SRK got the better of Bachchan here!
As for Shakti it was a certain bourgeois view that Dilip got the better of Bachchan. Doubt that was the general opinion. Today even the bourgeois audiences don’t believe it. LOL!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
As a general matter, I don’t see why if X can say something as if it’s a fact and if I disagree it’s because I’m a fanatic, being blind or whatever. I don’t find that very fair. I never said Amitabh can never give a bad performance or never be overshadowed, but I certainly do not believe that happened in Muhabbaten, and never heard any of my friends or relatives say so either.
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
The problem with Shakti was Amitabh’s character.People found it hard to identify with it because his disenchantment with his father really did not have a strong enough basis.Like Rani’s character in KANK who really had no busdiness cheating on her husband.AB did great but DilipKumar’s role was the one goingto get sympathy.
Comment by rkp on 17 December 2006:
thanks q…just been a little busy…used to just come on and read everything…b/c once i get started on commenting ti’s like 2 or 3hrs later and havn’t gotten anything done. plus ng 1.0 got a bit nasty for a bit. ng 2.0 seems a lot better and can actually have a civil debate. nothing gets carried over ot other threads. disagree in one agree in anohter…no grudges.
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
I really liked Bajpai in his two scenes in VZ, especially the first one at the train station, I though he did the whole masala baddie act very well indeed.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Sameer: I love your little bits of advertising for DTPH, KANK etc
“DTPH is the first movie where SRK played a REAL HERO after his super stardom!!! ”
How does the one for DON go? “SRK redefines the new age Bollywood villan”?
A.Shah
Comment by rkp on 17 December 2006:
oh yea dil to pagal hai sucked big time. vz atleast had bajpai and bachchan/hema.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
I still think even now people think Dilip was better than AB in Shakti!!!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
That’s a fair point rajen, in that there was something bordering on petulant about Amitabh’s character in Shakti. To be honest the most mature character in this film was the one played by Smita Patil!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Sameer: MATTER of opinion…I have never come across anyone(GO CHECK OUT ANY OF THE REVIEWS of PRO SRK sites or otherwise) about Bajpai in V-Z! No 2 ways about it..HE ROCKED;-) hehe
A.Shah
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Re: “once i get started on commenting ti’s like 2 or 3hrs later and havn’t gotten anything done.”
LOL, yahaan sab ki yehi problem hai! Well good to know at least u r on and reading all the threads…
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
The other problem with SRK and his cinema is that as we’re exiting the world of those films we find it hard to believe why we enjoyed those films at all at one point. This is the fate of all cinematic trends that are low on substance and all stars that simply belong to their moment and are not otherwise serious actors or stars who can transcend their age. A decade from now if not earlier people will find it stunning that SRK was once big. Much as people today find it unbelievable that Rajendra Kumar was so big once!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Sameer: Even my friends and younger cousins who saw SHAKTI for the first time were 2 ways..some said AB was better others said Dillip! There is definetly 2(or even 3 ways) with this one as some even said Smita was the best thing about SHAKTI:D
A.Shah
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
Gus lets stop giving Sameer a hard time.The argument is not going to end.We all have our own views and are entitled to them.Sameer is a passionate SRK fan and feels obliged to defend his fav.Thats OK plus he is kind of hampered by absence of support.SP is not to be seen these days.Dunno where he is.If Sameers defense is a little spirited lets acknowledge its kind of Six agaianst(not the right word) one.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Com’on AS: For DTPH, it was publicised a light movie and ‘A YASHRAJ MUSICAL’. Given the fact that DTPH has the highest record for audio in Hindi film Industry ever(Except Aashiqui)…its was perfect date movie for youngsters and teens. Lots of great songs, great fashion ware, first gen X movie, great starcast…so on. Even the concept of stage plays was new one. Its a very good movie…btw why do you hate it? And also, how can prefer Akshay in DTPH by not liking SRK???
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: That’s a good point but I think that today even Dilip’s character comes off as fairly intransigent (if it didn’t then). I do agree with Qalandar that the best moments in the film are between Bachchan and Smita Patil and she sometimes gets the better of him here.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Satyam: Its well known(and discussed on NG before) that SRK movies age SHOCKINGLY BADLY with time..not talking about his SWADES, HEY RAM or earlier works but more DIL TOH HOTA HAI, KUCH KUCH PAAGAL HAI, KABHIE VEER-ZAARA NA KEHNA etc etc etc etc
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Akshay: Agreed on Bajpai. The guy just had 2 scenes in VZ but he really did a number on SRK in them in every sense imaginable. Of course the reviewers didn’t say this because no reviewer would ever privilege a non-star over a star in India.
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: I am not giving Sameer a hard time at all, I feel HE is giving ME a hard time by denying my right to my opinion on Muhabbaten and suggesting that only a blind man could hold such an opinion.
As a true blue Bollyfan, I respect everyone’s love and affection for “their” star (be it SRK or Sallu or Abhishek or Hritik), yehi to hum desi filmi fans ki shaan hai! LOL!
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
I dont know why I liked and still do like DTPH more than you guys! May be I am abnormal!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
I never said that Q. Infact I didn’t start the post for you at all.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Sameer: I Never said anything about the music of DTPH–I loved!
“A very good movie”?, I BEG to differ. The movie bored me. Flat..lifeless….and totally fake! SRK was just PLAIN BORING here in my humble opinion…
ANyways….im out guys..each to their own opinion:-)
Before I know it SRK’s performance in GUDDU will be better than Amitabhs in KHAKEE!
A.SHah
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Akshay: the one I still enjoy very much is DDLJ. And I have always had a weakness for KHKN. Pardes also I don’t mind. Weirdly enough among the others I like VZ far more now than I did when I saw it in the theater. Again K3G is fairly entertaining. What I find unwatchable now is stuff like DTPH and KKHH. And Bachchan of course has a magnificent persona in the otherwise imbecilic Mohabbatein.
Comment by 007 on 17 December 2006:
Well, I am not an AB fanatic as my fav. actors are Sanjay Dutt and Amir but even I will say that only people whose understanding of real acting is very little and poor will say that SRK was better than AB in Mohabattain. In Don the difference is like night and day.
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Akshay: I am one of those who feels Smita is the best thing about Shakti! I didn’t feel that as a kid but now when I re-visit the film I do feel that way.
BMCM I hugely enjoyed, saw it 4 times in the cinema! LOL…also was thrilled to see Amit Kumar get a song in here, this guy has IMO the best voice in Hindi cinema and noone uses him.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: You’re not abnormal at all.each to their own bro:-)
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Sidenote: I LIKE THE DON REMAKE….and given how NG slammed that, I can’t hold it against anyone for liking DTPH no matter how much I detested it:-)
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: of course you are abnormal!
How do I know? well it takes one to know one!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
Com’on AS, When Aashiqui can become Golden Jubilee Hit, why can’t DTPH??? Moreover when the movie is just about songs and light scenes(its Yash Chopra Musical)…whats the problem in the movie??? It started the true trend of modern movies. Before that not a single movie had such great sets, and dresses. Even the valentine’s day, rose day all started with this one. Later everyone copied and made it boring!!! DTPH had a fresh narrative.
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
btw, I saw DTPH 4 times in the cinema, and I assure NG-ers it was for Madhuri and Madhuri alone (my personal favorite actress).
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Q: I too find Smita just outstanding in SHAKTI! With repeat viewings I have had a new found respect for her performance.
Sattu: Glad we agree on Bajpai:-)…and I find PARDES more enjoyable than most of his Yashraj stuff!!!!
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Heck for Madhuri I saw Wajood, Prem Granth, Rajkumar and Aarzoo in the cinema LOL
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Sameer: Dude—you can sit there and promote DTPH all you want man, my view on the movie remains adamant! Yes, the movie wa sa SUPER HIT, but I just couldn’t stand it..bored the living daylights out of me. And yes…RAJA HINDUSTANI too was a SUPER HIT, however if someone tried to convince me it was a GREAT movie etc my reaction would be the same:-)
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
And it’s not just about SRK though he is under discussion here. There are other stars from other eras who’ve suffered the same fate. I love watching Rajendra Kumar’s films or Shammi Kapoor’s films (actually just the soundtracks in each case would make the effort worthwhile) but I wouldn’t really be recommending them without a great deal of context. Of course exposure is important here. Plus if one is an ideologue and insists on a Bachchan-SRK correspondence it’s hard to have a discussion in any sense!
SRK partisans have long had their eyes on Bachchan. Abhishek is just an excuse here. You scratch a SRK partisan and sooner or later the Bachchan comparison emerges! Unfortunately, and as I’ve always pointed out, SRK will first have to surpass Rajendra’s success rate (he hasn’t so far) before thinking of Bachchan! Remaking Don, and doing KBC will hardly do the trick!
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
Well the secret is out!
Well I know how Sameer feels.
When I was growing up evry single day at the dinner table we had arguments between my father on one side and me and my brother on the other as to who was better AB or Dilipkumsr/Gavaskar or Vishwanath/RD or LP.Needless to say AB,Gavvy and RD are my alltime favorites.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Q: WAJOOD was a KNOCKOUT movie..Nana was fantastic!
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
DTPH was hardly the KKHH kind of success. It was a hit with superhit business in Bombay. It was a regular grosser, successful for sure but nothing extraordinary here.
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
Smita/AB was a great pair.Loved their pairing in NamakHalaal too.Smita could look so dignified/classy as she did walking down the stairs in that song PAG GHOONGHROO
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: AB, Gavvy and RD is a great way to go! My list would be Amitabh, Sachin, and ARR…
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
Q,
We do have a little generation gap here.When I was growing up Sachin and ARR were not around!
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: But it’s not all opinion. It’s one thing to compare DK and AB and quite another to compare AB and SRK! In fact it is entirely propaganda that such an equation ever takes shape.
Now for example Gavaskar might be your all time favorite but one wouldn’t want to assert that he’s greater than Sachin!
It is a generational thing for sure but there ought to be something more to it as well.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
DTPH was the first modern movie(sort of DCH) which did great business in the cities. It wasn’t an interiors movies. Its the first movie, as far I can remember where the 3 lead protoganists SRK, Madz and Karisma ’s parents are not shown on the screen. Its was nothing to do with their families but rather themselves. There was mummy papa asking permission to get married for SRK or Karisma or Madhuri.
Comment by Qalandar on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: yes we have a generation gap, but note that one man is common to both our lists, because he transcends the generation gap…
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
The man for all ages….None other than the greatest actor that ever lived (any country/any language)
Comment by 007 on 17 December 2006:
Forget about Amitabh guys, even Amir Khan and Saif (as he proved in Omkara) are much better actors than SRK. It is unfortunate that people cannot see real acting and call stammerings, awkward mannerism and baby smiles as good acting…Laught our REAL loud
Comment by rkp on 17 December 2006:
you can have a bad movie that is a first in some category. so what if it had great fashion the movie still sucks. and always hated this idea of having great clothes makes the movie good.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Now we have DCH/DTPH com[parison? LOL….to me..DTPH was the SAME OLD type of SRK movie…and as far as I can remember..the parents were shown! Deven Verma was there??As were some other actors..not sure whose parents they played.
A.Shah
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
ACTING wise..Aamir and Saif are ahead of SRK
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
If I has Satyam or Goddfella’s eloquence I would explain to you what made me like DTPH.But I did and am somewhat apologetic that I part ways with a lot of NGers that I hold so dear over it.
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
LOL, who decideds the quality of a movie. DTPH for one was right on its money for what it was publiscised and also a progressive movie for its times! It wasn’t RH!!!
Comment by Khalnayak on 17 December 2006:
“The man for all ages….None other than the greatest actor that ever lived (any country/any language) ”
This is as funny as saying srk is a better actor then amitabh (if not more)
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
LOL….DTPH was a mere love triangle..nothing more and nothing less! I didn’t find anything spectacular in the treatment other than some hip n trendy clothes..sorry Sameer..just don’t see it!:-)
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
“SAME OLD type of SRK movie”
I think you saw DTPH recently. It was first among SRK’s such movies and how can you say same OLD SRK movie??? Before this movie, SRK never played a true hero IMO! All he had Parde and Yes Boss and DDLJ in romantic genre before this.
Comment by 007 on 17 December 2006:
Yes my fav is Sanju Baba, but I am not an idiot to call him the best actor. I just adore him the way he is. Anyone can be your favorite actor…that doesn’t mean that he is the best actor. I like Akshay a lot too but if I start saying that he is the best actor and then I will lose my credibility.
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
I have seen DTPH twice..once when it first came out(and my reaction was MEH and second time on DVD..same reaction)
It’s OK though Sameer…I respect your love for DTPH, I just don’t have the same love for it myself though!:-)
Comment by rkp on 17 December 2006:
007 i agree. i dont care if they personally prefer that type of mannerisms but to say that there are no two ways about it or call others fanatics…i mean i say madhuri is my fave. actress of all time but i don’t necessarily consider her the greatest actress ever. plus i hate it when people start equating bo success w/ quality…yea so what if srk’s had more successes but doesn’t say too much about his acting…says a lot of his stardom. everyone agrees that gadar is not a better movie than lagaan even though it made much more money than lagaan.
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Rajen: You don’t have to be apologetic about liking DTPH. We all have our guilty pleasures and I have very many as well. You wouldn’t believe some of the ‘bad’ stuff I like!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
BTW–DTPH is another movie that has aged really badly with time unlike say DCH:-)
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Sattu: Agree! heck I simply loved KARAM!
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
“The man for all ages….None other than the greatest actor that ever lived (any country/any language) ”
This is as funny as saying srk is a better actor then amitabh (if not more
KN,you alreadty lost your credibility with the above comment!
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
For the record I am certain I have seen more SRK movies more times in the theater than Sameer! I am a sick man!
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Some of the ‘bad’ stuff I enjoy is from the 70s — for example J Om Prakash’s Jeetendra starrers like Asha, Arpan, Apnapan. LOL! There is nothing as sublimely bad as the Jeetendra/Reena Roy pair!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
I think its pretty usual to sway the topic from a single movie discussion to moving my statement as calling SRK as a better actor than AB overall, is typical NG!!!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
LOL SATYAM! I think I may challenge you there..I was even forced to sit through ENGLISH BABU…
BTW..One SRK mvoie that I have enjoyed more later(and moreso now) is OH DARLING YEH HAI…very different!
Comment by akshay shah on 17 December 2006:
Nothing wrong with APNAPAN! I love AADMI MUSAFIR HAI..AATA HAI JAATA HAI! One of Jeetendras finer films.
Comment by Khalnayak on 17 December 2006:
“i mean i say madhuri is my fave. actress of all time but i don’t necessarily consider her the greatest actress ever.”
I agree but that holds true for Bachchan as well. I see people picking on sameer when he says DTPH is good or a Srk stole the show frm AM but when Rajen (not against you bro) says that AB is the best actor ever lived in any part of the world/language, noone questions him..
Comment by rkp on 17 December 2006:
“Before this movie, SRK never played a true hero IMO! All he had Parde and Yes Boss and DDLJ in romantic genre before this.”
wasn’t dil to pagal hai in the romantic genre as well…or am i thinking of some other movie.
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Akshay, I didn’t see English Babu in the theater, I admit!
Comment by 007 on 17 December 2006:
I saw DDLJ 6 times in the theater and KKHH 5 times….that doesn’t mean I am going to be so stupid to call him the best actor or better than Amitabh. KKHH reminds me of Saved by the bell..but I used to like that a lot too
Comment by rajen on 17 December 2006:
Sameer,
Its not typical NG.I think we are here much better than a lot of forums.Even SRK fans here are more classy!
Comment by Sameer on 17 December 2006:
AS: I have no love for DTPH at all. But I’m just making the points which are valid for the movie. I hope I’m not making up some own stuff, I’m just discussing the movie’s creditable points which you can verify. Till now I never talked about my like or dislike for the movie.
See, you have to READ the comments well before forming a judgement. If I’m supporting DTPH as I loved it or not is the reason you don’t even wanna know. Basically thats a problem of many guyz on NG!!!
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
And speaking of bad stuff I like all the films Jeetendra did with Tamil setups in the 90s — Himmatwala, Tohfa, Mawaali, Justice Chowdhry and some others! Really terrible stuff and awesome for that reason!
Comment by 007 on 17 December 2006:
Some one above said something about Gavaskar vs Sachin. Well, that is nothing as you will find people who will sincerely believe that Sehwag is a better batsman than Sachin too. What can you say about such people
Comment by rkp on 17 December 2006:
sameer said there no two ways about it that srk stole to show in all those movies. or whatever. and i took what rajen said as not a thing that he was serious about discussing or debating but more of just a fan’s admiration…which would be fine if that’s what sameer’s doing but he seems to be trying to convince others that what he says is true and you’re blind/fantic if you dong agree.
Comment by satyam on 17 December 2006:
Khalnayak: Much as DeNiro is sometimes called the greatest actor and many other Western actors are also so called in similar contexts I don’t find there to be anything objectionable about Rajen’s claim.